Leo Gura

I remember reading an anecdote from the Victorian era where a woman went to the doctor's office because she had a serious disease with her private parts. The doctor told her to take off her clothes so he could check. She was so mortified by the idea that she stormed out of the office, saying that she would rather die than have a doctor see her naked. That's stage Blue sexuality in a nutshell.

You sneaky Orange devil. That chastity belt was designed for the likes of you.

@Display_Name Just because there's more does not preclude stupid beliefs. Jed McKenna believes the moon landing was a conspiracy theory. As but one example. If you sit down and question an enlightened person long enough, you will encounter some dumb ideas.

Science is a branch of philosophy.

This is precisely incorrect. Enlightened people subscribe to all sorts of stupid beliefs. This is the norm.

@Merkabah I'm sorry to be the first to inform you that humans also commit incest and child molestation. Most Hollywood actors date women young enough to be their daughters. And most royal families throughout history intermarried.

I never called you Blue. I spoke only of your mind's lack of subtlety. The goal is always survival, in whatever way. Stage Blue people are sexually repressed. Whether they mate or not. Stage Blue people are made to feel guilty and ashamed of their sexual desires. Most Stage Blue women can't even orgasm. In some Islamic countries they will even cauterize the clitoris so the women can't experience sexual pleasure. At Blue, sexual repression takes a cornucopia of forms and styles. - - - - - - I once told a stage Blue Christian girlfriend to play with herself while I watched. She got angry and refused because: "I'm not a slut".

Show me some science which says that if I cut your child, it will suffer. It will only realize pain, not suffering. Notice the utter self-bias of your view.

You are the one who's so gross-minded that you cannot understand the subtlety of sexual repression, which is why I gave you a gross example. If your mind was subtle, you would see the subtlety of it -- YES, in Vietnam. Of course all sexual repression is done in the name of good, in the name of God.

Ha! How convenient for you. When I torture your children, I will use your same logic to deny their suffering as you do that of animals. When you go to the police to complain, I will explain to them that there is no suffering in the psychology of your kind.

By dying

Except that's wrong. The reality is that even if you set a very high standard for enlightenment, it will still be the case that you can have enlightened masters who subscribe to outdated, primitive, and false beliefs. It's crucial to draw a line between enlightenment vs changing the contents of the mind. They are not equivalent. And if you ever equate them, you will be in for a rude awakening as you will be unable to explain why otherwise deeply enlightened people still end up believing and doing stupid shit. This is the classic newbie mistake of over-idealizing enlightenment and gurus. Enlightenment is NOT moral perfection. Nor is it a sophisticated understanding of worldly affairs. Nor is it a guarantee against errors in knowledge.

@Someone here Don't burn yourself.

Well, a lot of German intellectuals actually ended up joining the Nazi party back in the 1930's and 1940's. Like Martin Heidegger. Which shows you that he wasn't such a great philosopher. And the Zen monks of Japan supported Japanese fascism and nationalism in the same time period. Which shows you they weren't so great either. The true mark of a great mystic is how well he supports Love for all people on all levels: socially, culturally, and economically. Love is the ultimate measure.

Yup The Universe is just an Infinite Mind. Like a CPU running every possible video game at once.

Stop fucking around and actually do it. Take a needle, stick it in your finger, and don't feel pain.

Pain, of course, is purely relative. If you're conscious enough, there will be not difference between pain and pleasure. How do you even know that pain isn't pleasure, and pleasure isn't pain? Where in the universe does it say that pain is painful? If you really focus on pain while it's happening, you can start to notice that it's not actually painful, it's just a feeling. Try poking yourself with a needle and actually FEEL it without the ego's drama.

But these are still issues even awakened people perpetuate. You can be awakened and yet still contribute to the exploitations of a capitalist system. Someone like Osho is a good example. He was stuck in Orange in some ways with his Rolls Royces. We can't just adopt an attitude of: "Well, he's awake so nothing else matters." Social issues do matter. If you're awake in a corrupt society, and you're not doing something to correct that, something isn't quite right about you. Sitting by while Nazis take over your town says something about the kind of person you are.

Chastity belts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastity_belt