Leo Gura

I don't even know if I want to at this rate because there is no benefit in it for me when people are so set on misunderstanding what is said. It's like a projection nightmare. These ideas will only make sense to the right audience. I cannot take a room full of clueless, closedminded materialists and convince them of anything spiritual. To attempt such feats is an exercise in stupidity and demeaning to my intelligence. That's what's called casting pearls before swine.

I didn't have any worry. You assume I did for some odd reason. You frame it as though I had some desperate need for people to understand. No. I wasn't stressing out. Sigh... you just can't win with some people. You are the one who's framing me as defensive. But, hey, you are constructing your reality, so frame away.

That's exactly what makes a conversation confusing. If I let the conversation just go anywhere, nothing would be understood at all. Letting someone pepper you with random questions about God is a recipe for disaster. Let me try to pepper you with random rapid-fire questions like: Does God exist? What is God? How do you know? But what if you're deluded? But what if you're hallucinating? Prove it to me But science says there is no God But science says your enlightenment experiences are just brain activity If God exists, why did the Holocaust happen? What if truth is just pragmatism? These questions cannot just be asked casually in conversation. You can't be like, "Relax, just have a casual conversation, bro. Don't worry about anything." And then be like, "Bro! You didn't explain God in a slam-dunk way like you do in a 3 hr prepared lecture." A casual conversation meanders and explains little. If anything I'm getting criticized for being too casual. I was just having a pleasant conversation with Charlie. I was not trying to build a rock solid case for anything. This was not some logical proof I was constructing. He asked me random questions and I answered them with awareness to how my answers would trigger normie defenses. I was not nervous or tense at all. These kind of talks are very easy for me personally. The problem is that a casual convo will not explain Truth to any normie listening in. If you ask me for a random example of a scientific paradigm change, and I respond with Einstein, this will tell you nothing about why science is fundamentally misguided.

Well, that assumes you've already got enough air to hold you over. Which means you were breathing to begin with. But anyway, there's not much point splitting hairs about this. These low level needs are obvious and no one is disputing them. And their precise order is irrelevant since your body handles that stuff for you automatically anyway. It knows the order you need when. The order is gonna be contextual too. You are not going to drink water if you know there's a crocodile right where you drink.

I understand it without explanation.

When Ramana Maharshi got cancer his followers tried to get doctors to come look at him to heal him. His response was something along the lines of: "Who cares? It's just a body." When you are that awake you literally don't give a fuck about anything. No condition of life is better than any other. An fully awakened person cannot die. He is conscious forever, regardless of what happens to his body. So losing the body makes no difference.

That's the catch-22 of this business. On the one hand you guys want me out there talking to people on normie shows. Then when those normies fail to understand anything or run amok, then you say: Look what you did, Leo! Pick what you want: 1) Do you want normies to know about God, or 2) Do you not? If you want normies to know about God, then realize that they will fuck it up badly, as they have for the last 2000 years. Or if you don't, then stop telling me that I should go on Joe Rogan and such. How do you imagine Joe Rogan fans will react to what I teach? They will think I'm insane and they will blame Rogan for having me on. That's how normies react to Truth. I can't fix that. There is no way to make Actualized.org a mainstream accepted teaching. That expectation deeply misunderstands the depth of the epistemic quagmire society is in. God cannot be mainstreamed. Not unless you completely pervert it into falsehood.

"Becoming a madman" is just a fear you have that keeps you from realizing you're God.

They all worked. That's like saying, if you had 130 orgasms, the first 129 didn't work. In the same way you count orgasms or dreams. There are many degrees of awakening and consciousness. Consciousness can expand or contract without any limitations. How do you think you got unwoke in the first place? If consciousness could not contract, you could not awaken because you'd already be woke and spirituality would not exist since you would be fully conscious that you're God at all times. You also could not be human. You can only be ignorant of things because your consciousness is contracted. Uncontracted consciousness is absolutely omniscient. If you are not aware of how you created every hair on your ass, your consciousness must be contracted. Since you create everything. Do you honestly think that God does not know how it created the hairs on your ass? If no, you're underestimating God. If yes, then you've separated yourself from God. If you are not omniscient you are not fully conscious. It's just that simple.

That is not possible because without addressing the confusions and defense mechanisms it will not penetrate the mind. The mind has an immune-system-like shield which instantly gets activated when any serious metaphysical issue is brought up, or any serious deconstruction is done. It may feel that way to you, but if you listen to the entire thing, I answered all his questions. It just took some time. If you ask me a question like, "What are the problems of science?" or "How important were psychedelics in your life?", there is no quick way to answer that such that a normie would get it.

Because it is impossible. Charlie would not know what questions to ask in what order to get something like one of my videos. This is why I rarely do conversations with people. The interviewer does not know the depth of what he is asking. We waste most of the time clearing up confusions and defense mechanisms. To get a conversation as substantial as one of my videos the interviewer would need have a depth of consciousness and knowledge that I have. Such people nearly do not exist. And if they do, they don't have massive YT channels or general audiences. There is a fundamental limitation in explaining these topics to a general, causal stage Orange audience. No amount of skill can overcome that limitation. The best that can be done is a bit better. But it will never be some homerun that leads to some profound awakening. Conversation is not suited to this work. Which is why I generally avoid it. If I want to explain something serious, having a person asking me question is actually an obstacle. My videos are as dense and direct as things can get short of a book. Any conversation I have will be less dense because it will meander around and devolve into an infinite chain of follow up question. Conversations are not lectures. They are just random questions. Imagine trying to learn calculus with little mathematical experience by asking random questions for 2 hours. It's impossible. It would all sound like word salad and woo-woo. I have spent more time studying these issues than you spent years learning mathematics. And you still suck at math. And I consider Charlie a good stage Yellow interviewer. Just imagine how bad it would get if I was speaking to a defensive Tier 1 person like Richard Dawkins. It would get real bad. And that's exactly as it should be, because the interviewer and his audience are playing a game of defending their constructions of reality. What is not understood by people is that a conversation is never a genuine inquiry into truth. Truth cannot be reached via conversation, ever. Because the person you are talking to does not even exist but in your own mind. If you were conscious of the truth you would not be having a conversation in the first place. Conversations are for entertainment, not truth. If you expect my podcast appearances to deliver you some epic deep understanding, you should drop that fantasy now because it won't happen. The format does not allow that. If you want some deep understanding of anything I talk about you'll need 10 hrs minimum. Just to understand Spiral Dynamics takes at least 20 hours of study. And that's way easier to understand than something like science or God.

My only frustration is not enough time. I enjoyed the conversation. These kind of conversations are very easy for me. The problem is dumbing it down to a level the audience can follow. Dumbing it down in the right way takes a lot of skill and I still need to get better at that.

The problem is that the questions Charlie asked were so deep it would require a 5 hr conversation. Something like deconstructing science just cannot be done in 60 minutes because there are too many defense mechanisms to address. Deconstructing science would take at least 5 hrs. And we talked about a lot more topics than that. Each topic Charlie asked about is a 5 hr conversation. This is the difficulty of talking about this stuff in a casual way to a general audience who has zero foundation in metaphysics or epistemology. It is like trying to explain calculus to an audience who never even learned arithmetic. Charlie's audience is gonna be very stage Orange so they will be extremely skeptical of anyone who questions science. That is a huge red flag in their mind. Because if science can be deconstructed their whole reality collapses and that is totally unacceptable. Which is why my videos are so long.

It's a great trolling of the conservatives.

Have 130 awakenings and then maybe you'll understand.

@TEHUTI Godspeed, touchy one. You've made 9 posts and already found something to quit over.

You don't understand. All of that is imaginary. I became Infinitely Conscious. Which means I become absolutely conscious of everything. That's what it means to be God. If you are not conscious how you designed the whole universe, you aren't really awake. What I am talking about is beyond anything your mind can fathom and beyond anything any spiritual teaching has told you. My idea of what's going on is 100% Absolute. I am trying to guide you to that, most of you refuse to listen.

No idea. Took me a couple decades.

You cannot turn Goodness into an algorithm. People cannot be good by following your rules. Almost never. Sounds like your mental stability is lacking. In which case dail back the psychedelics. Psychedelics require very solid mental stability or they become dangerous. 3 to 4 years.

I've had many different kinds and degrees of awakening using different methods. 5-MeO-DMT certainly helps. But even that by itself is not enough. It took me over 130 awakenings to reach what I would call complete God-realization. Once you reach this point it's very easy to see who is not God-realized. Most spiritual teachers are not God-realized. This especially includes all the Buddhists, neo-Advaitans, every meditation teacher, and every New Ager. None of it is deep enough. Not even in the same ballpark.

I became totally omniscient. I became completely conscious of how I create reality. This is not anything the human mind can comprehend or reason about. And it is beyond anything possible to achieve with meditation, Buddhism, self-inquiry, or anything like that. Even nonduality is not omniscience. It is way less.

@EntheogenTruthSeeker See my video: How To Discover What Is True You need to get serious about epistemology and stop believing anyone. Don't believe me either. Seeking truth is not a matter of belief. And you will NEVER get truth from human words. The problem is that you want to get to the truth through words, whether the Bible or mine. And none of that will work. If you want to reach truth, you must question everything until your mind collapses.

@EntheogenTruthSeeker Do not use my words to debate idiots by proxy. When you do that, I have no desire to communicate with you.

A real stretch to put PUA material in this sub-forum.

This work is not a matter of belief. Deconstruct your mind, if you dare. Or... keep playing patty-cakes with your imaginary Christian friends.