Leo Gura

No, that does not sound like a clear no-self. That was a glimpse into what consciousness is and a seeing through the illusion of materialism. No-self is simply when you clearly realize there never was a human self. It will fee like: "OF COURSE! How could I have been dumb as to ever believe there was a self?!!! What the fuck is a 'self' anyway?!!! Of course there's no self!" It's very clear and obvious when you hit it. It will help you to contemplate: "What is a self?" Like, seriously! What is it?

Here is the discussion thread about the teachings and the future of Actualized.org

Is this a joke? These people are both clueless. They have no understanding of my work. This is the problem with this entire situation. Which is that clueless people will start to opine on things they have no understanding of because "it's a cult" and "I don't feel comfortable" and "It's all ego". Of course in truth both of these people are speaking of ego so deep they don't even know what ego is yet. So what will happen now is A LOT of profound misunderstanding and projection which causes people to completely get distracted from consciousness work and waking up. And that is precisely how devilry works -- out of ignorance and fear it mislabels true teachings as falsehood, while replacing the true teachings with ignorance. So this is how the game works. Be ware of that, it will be happening a lot. There is going to be a culling of this community. My teachings will polarize people, those of you guys who have a problem with my core teachings will have to leave this community and find yourself other communities, because I am not going to tolerate nonsense and projection here. Going forward I expect a very nuanced understanding from you of my teachings, and if I don't see that, you will be asked to leave. Nothing personal, but I have better things to do than argue with ignorance or trolls. I am not going to sit by and deal with people who have little comprehension of the things I teach and the warnings about this work that I have given out in the past. If you honestly believe that my work promotes suicide, you should make plans to exit this community because we will not be getting along and I have no interest in teaching such people. Those of you who understand that my work obviously has never promoted suicide, I appreciate your support. I should also note, those of you who disagree with my teachings about Love and God-realization will also be asked to leave. You have no business following my teachings. This thread is being closed, but I will be opening a new thread which will be a discussion about the nature of my teachings and you guys can vent whatever grievances you have with me or my teachings there. There you can also hand in your resignations if you are leaving the forum.

I want to clarity for people who might be reading this anew that measures will be taken to further minimize misunderstanding of the teachings and make things extra clear regarding suicide and other potential dangers and how to avoid them. So don't get the idea that nothing is being done or no feedback is being listened to. Making the teachings safer and clearer is something I hold as important. But you also need to understand that they will never be fool-proof and people will ignore warnings even when they are given. The kind of people who are most susceptible to misusing the teachings are precisely those who will tend to skip over warnings.

It's an interesting question. I don't know of a good answer. It's mysterious and infinitely complicated to explain what makes awakening occur in scientific terms. It's not even clear that there is an explicit answer.

Do not fearmonger and spread toxic ideas. We are here discussing this issue so people can get closure. This thread is not a license for run hog-wild with crazy ideas. Nobody is here to kill themselves and nothing in these teachings is remotely about that. This idea that anything whatsoever in these teachings is even remotely close to suicide needs to end right now. There is no such confusion in the mind of any reasonable or sane person. Please stop spreading such rumors. Keep in mind that if you guys insist on promoting such ideas about my work, I will stop sharing my teachings with you entirely. And then you will be all on your own.

SoonHei was nowhere near the consciousness or development level of The Buddha. If he was awake he would not have jumped off a bridge. An awake person doesn't behave that way and certainly doesn't ask others about it. He was simply eager to reach liberation via suicide rather than doing the hard work. Why spend 10 years meditating or taking psychedelics when you can just jump off a bridge? "Die before you die" does not mean: go die. He took it as that.

Yup Yup It's this. It's life. It's the dream that is your life. The experience bubble you're in is Absolute Truth. It just has nothing behind it. Like a video game. There is nothing behind the walls, so to speak. It's just a bubble of surfaces that create a perfect illusion of a game world. The world itself does not exist as anything but the appearance of the NOW moment. You can say there is only 1 frame to this movie/game. That frame is Absolute, and you see it now. This frame is God/Universe/Self. You are not in complete God-consciousness, you are in human consciousness. It's not stupid at all. It's infinitely genius. Otherwise it could not fool you.

All of these are standard nondual truths. If you cannot handle them, then stop doing spirituality and nonduality. I am not going to babysit you. The entire point of all spiritual work is to realize that death is imaginary! "The secret to life is to die before you die -- and find that there is no death." -- Eckhart Tolle "Nothing that was real ever died, only names, forms, and illusions. The end of illusion – that's all death is." -- Eckhart Tolle "When you have died this death, you realize that there is no death, and that there is nothing to fear. Only the ego dies." -- Eckhart Tolle "There is no doubt whatsoever that the universe is the merest illusion." -- Ramana Maharshi "Death is nothing else but going home to God, the bond of love will be unbroken for all eternity." -- Mother Teresa "Death is not extinguishing the light; it is only putting out the lamp because the dawn has come." -- Rabindranath Tagore "Death is a taboo in most societies in the world. But what if we’ve got it completely wrong? What if death was not the catastrophe that it is made out to be but an essential aspect of life, rife with spiritual possibilities for transcendence?" -- Sadhguru "The only reason why people have such a fear of death is they know nothing beyond the body." -- Sadhguru "Death is a cosmic joke. If you get the joke, falling on the other side will be wonderful." -- Sadhguru "Death is a fiction of the unaware. There is only life, life, and life alone, moving from one dimension to another." -- Sadhguru - - - - - - So please, spare me your crocodile tears about my teachings. My teaching are perfectly consistent with 2000 years of mystical and nondual tradition.

@How to be wise Become conscious for yourself what is true. You're so wise and smart. You tell me what is true.

Because there is no way to filter out those people and because at least those people might get some help from fellow forum member. Again, your guys' expectations for this forum are way off. This forum is purely pro-bono work. I offer no guarantees to any member or user of this forum that I will reply or help in any way. I could leave and not post on this forum for 2 months. This is not a clinic, this not therapy, this is not even life coaching. There is zero client relationship here. It's simply a big chat room. No guarantees of help are given. And in fact, no serious help is possible in this format. Vulnerable people will inevitably come. Suicidal people will inevitably come. Drug addicts will come. Mentally ill people will come. Poor people will come. Criminal people will come. And it is not my job to help any of them any more than it is your job to save every mentally ill poor person you see the sidewalk. There are thousands of people in the world who need serious help. Unfortunately there is not enough time or energy to help them all. I help those who I can when I feel capable and have some free time. Otherwise it is not my business. I am not here to save the world. And I am not in the business of building out a mental health organization. It is a full-time job just to keep Actualized.org running, even not counting what nonsense goes on on the forum. Please understand this. No Youtuber or CEO or guru is running around personally saving people. Sadhguru or Eckhart Tolle is not gonna answer your email and talk to you. Sadhguru does not even show up at his seminars. It's just a video recording of him. The amount of time and energy which I have devoted to answering your guys' questions and problems via forum and comments is so outrageously high that you can not even being to calculate it. Nobody in the self-help or spiritual industry or on YT has answered as many questions, in such depth, for free, as I have. Find me one person who has done more. I spent an hour on the phone last week talking down Connor the madman. Just to get trolled. You are seriously taking for granted how hard I work for you for free. And if this kind of attitude continues, I will stop commenting and answering questions full stop. It will all be shut down. I have zero desire to play these social games. And I will have zero guilt about it, because I owe you nothing. I could be enjoying a drink on the beach right now, counting my money and smoking some DMT. Interacting with you and helping you has been something I've done for 5 years purely out of passion.

Few people in the world have such luxuries.

I basically expect you to handle your own emotional stuff. I don't have the time to deal with people's emotional ups and downs. I talk about emotional issues in my videos but I am not going to hold your hand through them. This is totally unfeasible to do and you gotta learn to deal with it yourself anyways. If you need emotional assistance, that's what you hire a therapist for. And don't forget, a therapist charges $200/hr. If you were playing me $200/hr, then you could expect one-on-one personal help with your emotions. A doctor charges you $400/hr. This is an online chatroom.

Well, you need to become conscious what is absolutely true about the matter. Personally I have answered the question for myself. I know it's all an illusion. But you have to see that for yourself to believe it. Beware! To see the total illusion will not be easy to stomach. And it may endanger your material existence. I reached a point in my consciousness where if I went any deeper, I would probably be dead right now. Has any large human social group ever ended well? Like, ever? Think about why that is. This forum software is very complex and it basically cannot be changed.

I didn't say "valuable" I said true. Value is a relative human matter. My concern is truth. Of course I never discount the value of permanent awakening -- whatever that even means. I just dispute people who say that temporary awakening is false, unreal, delusional, not valuable, or not part of the awakening process. And I got no problem with that. Just stop demonizing and discounting the validity and importance of psychedelics and temporary awakenings. I was speaking figuratively from a human's POV. God dreams because that's what God is, an infinite dreamer. God has nothing better to do but to play these games. You guys keep missing something very important about life: life is play! It's a game! It's meant to be playful. Yet you take it so seriously. It's like the idea that God could be playful does not occur to you. God doesn't need anything. God is just playful and creative. God is not acting out of lack, it's acting out of infinite creative abundance. Descartes demon is imaginary, so there is nothing to deal with. God is infinite, leaving zero room for demons.

That is not feasible and that will not be happening. I made a decision a few years ago when I updated the disclaimers to the Forum Guidelines that we are not in the business of suicide prevention or mental healthcare. Nor will we be entering that business. This forum's purpose is to be a casual place for chit-chat. This forum is a tiny part of my job and it eats up way too much time and energy as it is. I spend more time policing this forum that I do on any other aspect of Actualized.org -- just to keep the devilry in check. This is precisely why I never started a large organization or spiritual commune. The idea was to keep things small and simple and casual. In the future I may remove every social aspect of Actualized.org entirely. No comments, no forum. Just videos. Because that is the core of what I do. I am not a babysitter. I am a researcher. And we don't have any corporate team here.

I don't know the details. Connor lies so much that it's hard to tell what is true about him. Suffice it to say he's got serious issues which probably existed for a long time.

That is the whole problem. It takes a lot of time and energy to sort the truth from the games. Our resources on this forum are limited. This is not designed to be a full-service shop. This is suppose to be a casual place for basic Q&A and socialization. We are not equipped to deal with serious mental health issues here. If I had a way to filtering out mentally unstable people from joining this forum, I would do so. Because it is not my job to work with such people. But such filtering is impossible.

He is bipolar and he was confined to a mental institution.

He may get suicidal at some point, but he was certainly trolling me. He had no intention to kill himself at all. One of the reasons I didn't even take SoonHei's case seriously here is because I was sick of getting trolled by Connor just a week ago and I was dealing with all his bullshit.

Because he's literally an insane attention whore. You have to understand that not everyone here is an honest actor. People here come to spam, troll, clickbait, hijack the community, start their own cults, spread ideologies, seek attention, act out their egos, vent their shadows, etc.

We regularly talk people down from suicide if they come to us and tell us explicitly that they wish to commit suicide. I spent 1 hour last week talking down Connor Murphy because he emailed me and told me he wants to kill himself. Then I discovered he was just trolling me. So that is not the issue. The issue is that SoonHei did not explicitly say he wants to commit suicide. He alluded to it in vague, cheerful, and poetic ways -- and it's hard to spot that when we deal with hundreds of messages and posts every week. The problem with suicide threats is that they are often trolling attempts for attention. This makes it difficult to distinguish who is serious and who is not. Depressive and mentally unstable people tend to threaten suicide a lot even when they don't really mean it. I used to have an ex-girlfriend who did that, and she was sometimes shocked when I called the suicide hotline for her. She treated it as a manipulation tactic to get sympathy and love. Don't forget how twisted and deceptive some people can be. And then on top of it they can get upset when you call the suicide hotline on them. The bottom line is that suicide prevention is not our job here. We do it only as a last resort when there is no other choice, but for that we need to be clearly aware the person is suicidal.

What's necessary to avoid suicidal depression is one thing: Hope. When all hope is lost, that's when people kill themselves.

1) God is always doing it, but are people receptive? 2) 1000 years ago, 1000 years from now -- that's all illusions created by God to keep itself from realizing God is HERE, NOW! That illusion of past and future is what keeps you from realizing you are God right now. It's a very sneaky illusion. Notice how your mind tricks you into imagining some other time at which awakening will happen. You have to bring your attention to the present. Become so present that even the idea of birth and death cannot arise. Imagine being so present that death itself cannot affect you. But do not harm your body. That's basically the point of meditation.

It's not quackery if you find a good chiro. If you don't trust your chiro look for a better one (who will of course charge more). But also, it's more art than science, so don't expect a guaranteed result. Sometimes it won't work.