Leo Gura

Yeah, but terrorists would still attack America for other reasons. American empire pisses people off on its own too.

Awakening IS the moment you realize what Absolute Truth is. Then you can drop in state but you still know what Truth is. Yes, without Awakening you don't have a reference experience for what the word Absolute means. You are like a guy who hasn't experienced an orgasm. Awakening is the orgasm. You don't need to be in constant orgasm to know what orgasm is. But you do need to have at least one.

Well, "the West" is a gross generalization. I'm part of "the West" and I say it's ethnic cleansing and the US should stop supplying it with weapons. But that's not gonna happen any time soon because the US and Israel intel agencies are allied and share intel and jointly hunt down terrorists.

Yes. Awakening is just increased consciousness.

It is Absolute Truth but in that moment you aren't aware of it as such. Your money chest analogy applies well here. Yes, Being = Perception - Ego But notice, what is ego? Ego isn't really anything substantial. So perception is very close to Being. The only difference is a bit of extra awareness. With a bit of awareness perception becomes Being.

The elites of every nation serve their own class. Nothing new there. That's how all societies function.

Of course it matters to you whether you recognize it. My point is that it is what is regardless of whether you recognize it. Yes, obviously. It is Absolute. All experience is Absolute. You just aren't recognizing it. It's silly to even say it that way. Would you say that if a baby sees a bomb it's a non-realized bomb? No. You just say it's a bomb and the baby is clueless.

There are important differences. But Israel is doing ethnic cleansing. Why is this so hard to understand?

Survival takes place within Being. So if you stop long enough to look underneath all the survival what you see is the underlying Being, which is Consciousness for its own sake. Spirituality is about seeing the Being underneath all the unconscious survival. Emptiness just means free of survival.

That's like saying Israel isn't doing ethnic cleansing because Arabs are allowed to live in Israel. Netanyahu says such nonsense all the time.

Obviously because Zionism didn't yet try to ethnically cleanse them. Their opposition to Zionism is not religious, it's political and nationalist. Zionism built a powerful nation on their land where they were suppped to build their own nation. So of course they want to eliminate that nation. If I built a house on your land your top goal would be to wipe my house off the land. It's not complicated.

Jihadists want ethnic cleansing. I'm done debating this.

Yes. Everything you see right now is Absolute Truth. Whether you recognize it as such or not doesn't change the situation. An elephant is an elephant whether you recognize it or not. You might think an elephant is a giant rock, but that's a you-problem. It doesn't change the situation. The elephant is still there, waiting for you to recognize it. When you get this deep, the difference between objective and subjective collapses. You're just left with absolutely what is. You can frame it in various ways. You can frame it as everything becoming absolutely subjective. Or you can frame it as everything being absolutely objective. They amount to the same thing in the end. I've spoken of pure subjectivity and absolute subjectivity many times. Truth cannot be "proven" so to speak. However, truth is absolute, so that's as "objective" as objective gets. It's objective because there is no "person". The subject is Nothing. When the subject is Nothing, that's really just to say that everything you experience is objective. Truth does not appear to a subject. Truth just is. Truth exists for itself. So in this sense truth is Absolute/objective. Alternatively, you could say that Truth is its own subject. The subject for Truth is not a person or a witness, it is Truth itself. Truth is it so own subject, which is just another way of saying that Truth is objective. Both frames are correct and identical. Yes, it just is. But you can view or conceive of it in different ways. It's not just a semantic thing, it's a perspective thing. You can take various perspectives on it. There are multiple ways of conceiving the same thing. Glass half full, glass half empty. That's not just a verbal difference. That's a difference in perspective/conception. It's your responsibility to see how various perspectives equate and unify.

It's much more action than rhetoric. I don't listen to politicians' words, I look at their behavior. Rather than believing their words, look at who they shoot in the head.

You are cherry-picking their founders words. I can quote you many of their founders who speak about killing every Jew in Palestine. And not just words but actions. Your characterization of their leadership by appealing to selective quotes deeply misrepresents the situation. You cannot lawyer your way around this. The entire Jihad movement is fueled by destroying Israel off the map. Stop denying this. This is their vision and dream.

It was an atrocity of ethnic cleansing. There is no doubt the Palestinians have legitimate moral outrage over the injustice of being ethnically cleansed from their land. However, that doesn't matter because POWER is what matters in politics, not morality. They do not have the power to get the justice they deserve.

These charters are just political hot air and propaganda. You must look at how their minds actually work. In their minds they believe they should never compromise with Zionists and kick them all out. That's the actual mindset they are fighting under. Some political verbiage in an old document is not what makes fighters fight.

That doesn't matter. These are empty cherry-picked words. I did not say their goal is to exterminate all Jews across the world. Obviously not. Their goal has always been to expel all the Zionists from Palestine. It doesn't matter what the reasons are, whether the reasons are morally valid or not. Their goal remains their goal. And since they are ideological fanatics they cannot be talked out of their goal. So the only remaining option is death. A fanatic either gets his way or dies. But in this case they cannot get their way. So they will die.

Hamas' goal is definitely the expulsion of all Zionists from Palestine. They have equal goals. They both want to ethnically cleanse the same piece of land. This is why the conflict is endless. Both sides believe they can succeed in pushing the other off the land and not need to share it. It's like two dogs fighting over the same bone. But Israel actually has enough technological and social power to accomplish their ethnic cleansing project. Which is exactly what will happen in the end. Power wins. The problem is that Palestinians do not have enough social development to organize well enough nor have enough technology to over-power Israel. This makes Hamas' actions stupid because they cannot win. Hamas will be destroyed because lower civilization is always destroyed by higher civilization. Yes, Hamas is lower civilization, regardless of the moral outrage. The problem is that Hamas is too fanatically and ideologically brainwashed to understand this. So their stupidity will result in getting all of them killed. Lower intelligence is defeated by higher intelligence.

For the same reason Zionists shoot Palestinian children. Both sides want ethnic cleansing in their favor.

Not the same thing AT ALL. You are comparing legit defense of a nation from invasion vs fanatical terrorist lunatics who shoot concert-goers in the head. That I need to explain this to you shows how misguided your view of things is.

Wealth inequality is a huge problem. The issue is how to fix that issue systemically in an intelligent way rather than some stupid way like communism. I don't have a solution. I don't see anyone who has the solution. So until then we are stuck with the current system.

This event was not a terrorism attack. It was apolitical. Terrorism requires a political motive. Please don't label violence as terrorism unless it is politically motivated. I have edited the thread's title and removed some of my early comments.

@Nivsch Well, I'm not saying his reasoning is justified. Bin Landen was a delusional ideological zealot. The land could be shared. But you can't really deny that Israel's treatment of Palestinians causes legit outrage amongst Muslims and Arabs.

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