How to develop Machiavellian traits?

[tatsumaru]

3 hours ago, mivafofa said:

I suggest you to further your studies in spiral dynamics. Look up additional important insights.  There's a lot of misconceptions in your post.  Your external circumstances has everything to do with your psychological evolution.  You really don't know how good you had it, don't you? You think someone else can fix their problems with the solutions that helped you fix the problems that YOU have faced.  And while reading your latest post with examples how of react better - it's becoming clearer and clearer that you never had to deal with real fucking brutal environment. If you did, you would understand the necessity and urgency to fight fire with fire. But you fortunately you didn't.. because you've been gracefully given water to pour over fire, while some others have been given a tank of oil. And you assume everybody just naturally have a handy water reserve in their pocket.  And thus you can only analyze the problem with your own perspective based on your own experiences.


When you transcend a stage, you bring the previous stage along with the new stage. You keep the useful tools of survival from there and forsaken the limiting part of it. If circumstances has prevented you to fully incorporate a stage and now you're placed at a war zone with no underground fighting skills, it's important to go back in order not to create a shadow.  And then you transcend and include. Not transcend and demonize and judge.

Let's not start assuming the backgrounds of other people simply because they don't agree with us. I have no idea what you went through and you have no idea what I went through and frankly I don't care because as I stated grounding yourself in your painful me story only leads to a victim mentality regardless of whether you were raped and brutalized or went to a war and had to eat your brother to survive or simply had a boring job. There's no amount of pain that justifies a victim mentality because in choosing to be a victim you are simply quitting on yourself. If someone is trying to kill you then defend yourself, but exploiting the painful memories of mothers has nothing to do with urgency, it's about scheming and plotting for revenge and power.

There's nothing wrong with judging as long as it's grounded in compassion. To not judge is to cease to differentiate and to cease to be a human being and it's not even possible because by asking people to not judge you already seeking to judge the judges. This is like seeking to become free of desire only to end up desiring not to have desires. The problem isn't in desire or judgement themselves, it's in ignorance. Spiral Dynamics is simply measuring the level of your understanding of what's going on it's not some set of tools that you switch between based on your environment. In fact if you study it you will recognize that the main catalyst for transcending a level is the understanding of its limitations and not your circumstances. If you have a desire to revert back to red/purple you simply didn't understand why they were inferior. The higher levels are always better than the lower levels despite the circumstances. When the Buddha realizes that separation and survival are illusions does he revert to beige/red when his life is threatened? When the Buddha got poisoned did he restore his health in order to survive or did he happily pass into Mahaparinirvana?