Ernest Werbel

What started the Universal self-consciousness?

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On 2/16/2021 at 9:01 AM, Ernest Werbel said:

Thank you for your thoughtful replies.  This is a lot to take in.

I guess, a different way to put it, would be what was the first iteration of the universe?

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My head is exploding!

Hi Ernest,

From what I understand,

There never was a universe that ever came into being in the first place, there never is, there never will ever be..

All that is.. is a dreamy appearance which appears as a solid reality.. including the very concept of time which includes both of these concepts of BEGINNING and an END;  as well as PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE.

All that is.. is nothing but a watery mirage in the desert. 

There is no such a thing called mirage anywhere.. nor is the water which appears within it. Both are just illusory appearances.  Similarly there is no universe anywhere prior to the appearance of the mind.. which is nothing more than a mirage and the objects which appear in it which are nothing more than watery appearances of dancing images in that mirage called mind.

There is no such a thing called mind anywhere nor the objects within it. All of it is just an imaginary appearance in infinite consciousness. BUT, relative appearances have relative relevance and are relatively real. Not to be ignored or taken lightly. They have their own significance in terms of conditioned patterns, meanings and values of the minds that perceive and experience them.

The questions WHAT, WHEN, WHY & HOW, etc. these are the questions of the mind. When the mind dissolves and attains oneness, or prior to any projection of a universe within some mind, what is there and who is there to ask such questions and to whom? There is only IT remaining within itself, supported by itself, as itself, cognizing itself alone without any second object. That is what everything IS, including YOURSELF. Thinking doesn't exist in that state. Questions do not arise either, because of lack of a mind. IT is what the enlightened describe as BRAHMAN in its inseparable Non-Dual form of SAT-CHIT-ANANDA pronounced as(SATH-CHITH-AANANDHA)

SATH(ETERNITY of EXISTENCE - A state(not even..), not a continuous extension of time) 

CHITH(KNOWLEDGE - Not intellectual knowledge, but the raw COGNIZANCE/CONSCIOUSNESS itself)

AANANDHA (BLISS - Natural state of Ecstasy/Exuberance and Unconditional Love)

But, these are just words. The enlightened say that just like the blind person cannot understand the concept of color through intellectual understanding, similarly the unenlightened will never understand BRAHMAN/CONSCIOUSNESS/REALITY/GOD through intellectual reasoning. It is something to be experienced directly in order to understand it perfectly.

Also, there are different depths of enlightenment and infinite truths(different ways consciousness can configure itself into) to be enlightened about. 

 

what was the first iteration of the universe?

There never was one. But If you want to experience and perceive such a thing, you can certainly in your meditative state experience such a thing called a beginning of all of reality. BUT, although such an experience will feel realistic and true for you, others can also perceive such a thing in their own meditative state which is radically different from how you perceived it. Moreover, you yourself may perceive it differently each time you try to perceive it. It all depends on the conditioning and the state of the mind that perceives it. There are certain aspects that are perceived and  'the way they are related to' which is common for all/some minds in a universe, whereas other aspects which are different for each one.

 

 

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Generally I’d be the first to dismiss any such thing as airy fairy bs but after copious psychedelics, spiritual labor, mistakes, and run-ins with the ineffable, I can proudly and calmly state that the Law of One has more to offer you than I ever could. Regardless of what exactly it is. It’s an understanding accelerator, imo.

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2 hours ago, PopoyeSailor said:

There never was a universe that ever came into being in the first place, there never is, there never will ever be..

All that is.. is a dreamy appearance which appears as a solid reality.. including the very concept of time which includes both of these concepts of BEGINNING and an END;  as well as PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE.

All that is.. is nothing but a watery mirage in the desert. 

Exactly, that's how it is perceived, but be careful ... realizing that the reality you know is a kind of dream, and that only you exist, alone, without attributes, it can be terrible at first. without time, without before or after, only you. immortal, but with no place to go. without escape, everything you thought was a lie, reality is another, and you are. They say that enlightenment is the realization that there is no self, but this immortal being that is, is somehow a self. It's who you've always been. The one that is when your disguise fades .the times that I have been in his point of view, when I have returned to the point of view of the disguise, the first thing I have thought is: who are you? why are you? it's only you? I mean "i", not you ... but as you say, for the one who is, there are no questions or answers, neither when nor how, it is. Or so it seems....

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15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, that's how it is perceived, but be careful ... realizing that the reality you know is a kind of dream, and that only you exist, alone, without attributes, it can be terrible at first. without time, without before or after, only you. immortal, but with no place to go. without escape, everything you thought was a lie, reality is another, and you are. They say that enlightenment is the realization that there is no self, but this immortal being that is, is somehow a self. It's who you've always been. The one that is when your disguise fades .the times that I have been in his point of view, when I have returned to the point of view of the disguise, the first thing I have thought is: who are you? why are you? it's only you? I mean "i", not you ... but as you say, for the one who is, there are no questions or answers, neither when nor how, it is. Or so it seems....

Yes brother there is only you

No self is just the "beginning"

You are older then what we call this existence. 

There is no why how or when to this, even if you want the answer. 

Had the exact same realization. 

It is completly freaky and fucked up imo.

Ofcourse ego playing a part but at that level there is no ego and there is no others.

Conciousness wakes up to the fact that it fucking imagines existence/life/death/dreams.

And it is alone thats oneness for you.

It is so radical, there is no universe or others.

It is just what you see in front of you, sure the appearances can change and you can be another ego and so forth but what you are is not subject to change. 

Thats why impermance is true but also it is not true.

Changeless awareness just is.

How can it escape itself?

there is no possibility for it.

It is extremely frightening to recognize that being is one and you are it.

It aint all sunshine and rainbows, die into your nature only to recognize that it has ALWAYS been you,  no matter what happens or what enlightened gurus tell you about enlightenment, it is you speaking to your self tricking yourself. 

This is neither positive or negative just is.

It is so radical to see this, reality is nothing that you thought it were. 

Everything felt so real prior to this, but after a while you come back to dreaming again, but at the moment of awakening life is broken, dream is gone. 

But then it starts again, and thats how it will be forever!

Forgetting and waking up forgetting and waking up 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Adamq8 said:

How can it escape itself?

there is no possibility for it.

It is extremely frightening to recognize that being is one and you are it.

when you realize that reality is the only being that has no place to go because there is no place, or nothing to change because there is no time, just being,  immutable, eternal...like trapped. and you are ... the first time for me was pretty awful. little by little I am accepting that. It needs a mental adaptation: my ego mind have two fundamental willings: movement, exploring, and development in time. There are not. Forget that, i am here, no more. Serious thing.

Right now, at this very moment, we are that, what is. there's no more. and from that all this reality emanates, the dream. the mind is useless, it works at another frequency. your questions don't make sense. you have to give up the mind it seems. but one question remains: why does existence exist? Why I exist in the eternity, how is it possible!!? The human mind gets crazy after a glimpse of the absolute. 

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