Is Rap Music Stage Red? - Sociological Analysis

[AtmanIsBrahman]

I've been rewatching the Stage Red episode, trying to understand how the stage works and how it fits into spiral dynamics overall.

One thing I was surprised Leo didn't mention (forgive me if I missed it) is how stage red relates to rap music. Pretty much every aspect of stage red blatantly aligns with the vibe of rap music, and I think rap provides a powerful lens for looking at the intricacies of spiral dynamics. 

Rap music is all about power, conquest, egocentrism, brazenness, wealth, being better than others, hating others, "beating the haters," and so on.

These are my questions: 

1) Why do people seem to skip stages? 

It seems like the most common spiral dynamics transition is stage red to stage orange. Also, the combination of red and orange seems to be very popular among hip hop stars who became successful, such as Kanye West, Lil Wayne, etc. I know that stage red --> stage blue is considered a classical transition -- somebody goes to jail and comes out as a religious fundamentalist -- but the stage red to orange transition seems just as common if not more. Could this be because the individualism of orange feels more familiar to red?

2) Why do people from higher stages such as orange like the vibe and aesthetic of hip-hop? 

They're definitely not working on integrating low spiral stages. But they must be aware that it's a lower stage of development, as you don't normally go shoot people and brag about it as a stage orange or above person.

One possibility is that they enjoy the power fantasy and themselves aspire to wealth and power, so they can imagine themselves feeling powerful like the rapper, except through career or business rather than criminality. It may also just be that the genre is fun and people like listening to it for its unique sound. But that still wouldn't explain why the lyrics remain so blatantly stage red and don't adapt to a higher-spiral market. 

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These are just some things to think about. 

It seems to me like rap is a strange combination of red and orange, and it's interesting from a sociological point of view how it works. 

What do you think?




 

[enchanted]

Yes Leo has said it is too. Its obviously stage red and also really stupid if you listen to the lyrics. 

I find it it funny how much we criticize religious people on in this forum for leading an epistemologically unquestioned life but rarely mention how stupid the people are who devoted their lives and who's whole personality is wrapped up in a culture that has anthems about fucking hoes and cars are somehow off limits. 

Edited 8 hours ago by enchanted