Humans were never meant to wake up from the dream

[Hyperion]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I understand what you’re saying.

No offense, but your posts and replies don't make it sound like you do. 

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If the Absolute has no opposite. Then there’s no relative, there’s no dream.

"There’s no relative" is a relative perspective.

"There’s no dream" is a relative perspective.

Even "the Absolute has no opposite" is ultimately a relative perspective. 

See, you are still trying to hold on to certain particular perspectives / illusions and construct a specific worldview / identity that is based on these perspectives. Which isn't necessarily a "wrong" thing to do... it's just that being attached to said perspectives keeps you stuck in delusion.

10 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s just the Absolute, but how would the Absolute has no opposite know it’s without opposite, and what would Absolute even mean to the Absolute?

Maybe this helps.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

No offense, but your posts and replies don't make it sound like you do. 

"There’s no relative" is a relative perspective.

"There’s no dream" is a relative perspective.

Even "the Absolute has no opposite" is ultimately a relative perspective. 

See, you are still trying to hold on to certain particular perspectives / illusions and construct a specific worldview / identity that is based on these perspectives. Which isn't necessarily a "wrong" thing to do... it's just that being attached to said perspectives keeps you stuck in delusion.

Maybe this helps.

 

Right, so all you’re saying now is that only the relative is known. All there is is the dream and nothing known beyond the dream.

[Hyperion]

23 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Right, so all you’re saying now is that only the relative is known.

What I am saying is what I wrote in the OP of my thread: You can only experience / be conscious of specific parts or aspects of reality that "stand out" by contrast (-> exist). The Absolute aka. the totality of reality can therefore only ever be known by approximation.

23 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

All there is is the dream and nothing known beyond the dream.

Again, that's a relative perspective... meaning that it is both relatively true and relatively untrue. 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Hyperion

[Mellowmarsh]

58 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

What I am saying is what I wrote in the OP of my thread: You can only experience / be conscious of specific parts or aspects of reality that "stand out" by contrast (-> exist). The Absolute aka. the totality of reality can therefore only ever be known by approximation.

Again, that's a relative perspective... meaning that it is both relatively true and relatively untrue. 

 

Okay, I understand what you are saying, and I have no quibble with. I agree with you. 
 

That’s what I’m showing here in this thread. We were never meant to wake up to the totality of absolute being because only the relative is experienced, not the absolute. 

[Hyperion]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

We were never meant to wake up to the totality of absolute being because only the relative is experienced, not the absolute. 

Well again, "we were never meant to XYZ" is a relatively (in)valid statement that in one sense is true and in another sense is untrue.

As a matter of fact, I would argue that what we call life is nothing but a continuous and neverending "waking up" process. Without this ongoing process, there could and would be no experience of reality, because where there is no evolution, there is no change and therefore no contrast.

But of course, that's just another relative perspective, so make of it what you will. 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Hyperion said:

Well again, "we were never meant to XYZ" is a relatively (in)valid statement that in one sense is true and in another sense is untrue.

As a matter of fact, I would argue that what we call life is nothing but a continuous and neverending "waking up" process. Without this ongoing process, there could and would be no experience of reality, because where there is no evolution, there is no change and therefore no contrast.

But of course, that's just another relative perspective, so make of it what you will. 

So are you now saying that evolution was what made human possible to be here to be able to say to ourselves that everything we think we know is relatively un/true and in/valid, and if not for evolution, we couldn’t have said to ourselves that everything is relatively un/true and in/valid?

 

 

[Hyperion]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So are you now saying that evolution was what made human possible to be here to be able to say to ourselves that everything we think we know is relatively un/true and in/valid, and if not for evolution, we couldn’t have said to ourselves that everything is relatively un/true and in/valid?

Relatively speaking, yes.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Hyperion said:

Relatively speaking, yes.

Okay thanks.
 

 

[Hyperion]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay thanks.

You're very welcome, honey pie. 😘

[Hyperion]

@Mellowmarsh

PS - Don't know if you've seen it, but I thought that perhaps this might interest you:

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@Hyperion I’ll take a look at the video, thanks. 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

I’ve watched the first 10 minutes and how I’m interpreting what he is saying is that the absolute is already the totality of everything that is was and ever will be, which has no opposite because any opposite would be relative to the absolute that already is making the relational illusory. 
 

That’s why I mentioned humans were never meant to wake up to the illusion of separation, because it would only reveal their illusory existence to them. They’d simply come to know they don’t exist in the way they thought they did, so I’m thinking it’s better that they didn’t transcend their illusory nature. Relatively speaking of course. 

 

 

[Wilhelm44]

8 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Wake up from or to..is the same waking…that wasn’t meant to be, or happen. 
 

The waking is forced by the person who consciously chooses to seek the answer to the question of who am I 

 

Which can be both a blessing and a curse.

In what sense could waking up be like a curse ?