Challenging Leo on women

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

Even as a man, I avoid associating with low-value males. It’s not out of malice—it’s practical. They rarely possess the agency or competence to help you move toward ambitious goals, and more importantly, they carry an unhealed psyche that inevitably rears its head in all kinds of erratic, unpredictable ways (as @AION and I were touching on earlier).

Lol "low-value males"

Partnering with the people we prefer is already what everyone does.

What is weird and neurotic is feeling the need to adopt a perspective that involves characterizing people negatively; focus on the people first, then qualify them.

No one speaks like that in real life, and what lies behind it is a lack of sovereignty run through the projection machine.

The more you replace "I like" or "I don't like" with generalizing language elements, that purports to be "objective", "ethical," the more you find yourself in a neurotic position. And this is problematic because in such a position you unconsciously are no longer pursuing your own happiness but rather the flourishing of the symbolic order that instilled this superego in you.

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

Women have to be even more selective since they're gonna entangle their lives with these men and have kids with them. A man doesn't need to be a dangerous criminal to still have a majorly negative impact on a woman's life. 

Yes maybe but I was saying that the metaphor she constructed to serve her agenda didn't work.

Because she cheated by lumping together under the term "predator" someone who wants to reproduce with you, which fosters your reproduction and the propagation of your genes, and someone who wants to kill and eat you which does the opposite; to lead you to this second conclusion.

She also suggested that being inconspicuous or dull-colored in the water is the same thing as being unattractive. The two concepts are not linked; in fact if dull-colored fish are favored natural selection will also naturally select for fish that prefer dull-colored mates (since their offspring are more likely to be dull-colored and thus reproduce themselves). Consequently being "dull-colored" becomes the standard of attractiveness even if for some reasonit appears to be the opposite to her human eye.

Nevermind.

[Alexop]

On 9/18/2026 at 5:36 AM, AION said:

Hot women always have abusive violent exes while those violent aggressive men are only a small percentage of the population of men. Most men aren’t like that. Most men are nice guys. I have tons of good guy friends who are good men with very good jobs. But they aren’t picked. Yesterday I dated a hot girl and she too had abusive bfs. She didn’t want to sleep with me on the first date. Only when I started showing more dominance she opened up, showed signs of attraction and we had a great time. Perhaps one of the best dates in my life. I think most guys want to be nice but it is not what is being rewarded. Most guys just accept their fate and stay incels. 
 

If you are a nice guy you get treated like shit. Most guys accept this behavior from women. But the ones who don’t they create this strong frame and sometimes they go too far and become a dick and become aggressive which is an unfortunate side effect.  
 

I’m not going to blame the opposite sex like you do but I think women condition men to be the way they are. I think there are good reasons why hot women are the way they are. And I think there are good reasons why the men who fuck the hot women are the way they are. 

Nice guys suck ass too. They are boring, manipulative in a more subtle way and women don't really get something much better if they choose them. They rather bite the bullet an choose the fun guy, at least they will have fun for a while, while risking being mistreated. But nice guys can severely mistreat women in long term relationships too. My father is a nice guy and he tricked my mother into choosing him with this nice guy technique. After a few years he became more and more toxic. Nice guys are toxic because they are immature, they don't understand themselves, forget about understanding women.

But it is true that nowadays with this broken social environment and social media, women lose lots of good mating opportunities. Because of the choice anxiety and superficial assessments.

Edited October 21 by Alexop