Absolute Infinity

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you have 10 months and you hit your head with a hammer you know what pain is, you don't need to conceptualize it. The rats know what pain is and that cats are dangerous, and they are not good in conceptual thinking 

You know what pain is because you’ve labelled the sensation pain. You know the concept pain.

 

Cats and rats never tell themselves they are experiencing pain, there’s just the sensation of pain, there’s just sensation felt by every living organism with a nervous system. Only humans label the sensation pain. Because they put a name to the sensation.

Edited 16 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[kavaris]

New Movie: A Cat Matrix

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, kavaris said:

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You know what pain is because you’ve labelled the sensation pain. You know the concept pain.

 

Cats and rats never tell themselves they are experiencing pain, there’s just the sensation of pain, there’s just sensation felt by every living organism with a nervous system. Only humans label the sensation pain. Because they put a name to the sensation.

Label the pain is label the pain, but knowing the pain is feeling it. Rats know the pain, but they don't label it

[kavaris]

Reality and active involvement (historically to today)

Thisll sound random, but i wanna say Aristotle, Metaphysics, he has the advantage over his Master, Plato, in that hes not having to ground philosophy, so he only need talk about the absolute, Being, and then a whole lot of hierarchy and context, and that sentiment, that idea of giving the next generation the framework is, i believe, a little of what happens in Christianity and such, because now they can borrow that idea, infuse it into a larger context, create a boundary around it And make it look like its authentically justified - such that Alot if it doesnt have ties to anything else, or if it does it has symbolic / interpretive ties that we practically see no where us... We see an historic Moses, etc., And we do hear bout Greek ideas around people remembering their ancestors like 3 generations back or somethin (i forget wat thats in) everything else is more like, the real, and the metamorphic, from when it existed in myth and magi, and ppl like Proclus, etc, they show us how theres ppl thinkin bout near similar ideas around One/God, and that idea of god basically is the most disruptive to everything, And someone, possibly like several of these desert father jews, push for this thing, And obviously someone gave them a platform to do it freely, to let the ideas flow freely, or they collaborated w/ someone who was into the same ideas, i mean, each generation takes control of the previous, changing that fundamental hierarchy. In that way, Being was erased from history, canceled out just by no longer seeing it in that early fundamental hierarchy, and that philosophical 'One takes on very much a new look and feel that is difficult to untangle. Iuno... Its just been made difficult to untangle... easy to research, difficult to untangle, difficult to keep in balance too, since its about reality /  experience, which is in active involvement.

[kavaris]

And it is hard, difficult, but hey, ppl take psychedelics, in a normal, non-partyin context, and they get this fundamental download that doesnt require anything from a normal thinking perspective, abd that is already the prominent seed, and, its well-beyond anything you can think about practically.  And then actualized -i believe could potentially be the accelerated germinator -kindve thing.

Basically what im tryina say is... Actualized can be the well-prepared soil and germinator -for an idea that is only a germ-of-a-thing... or... like... it could be buried in someones unconscious! Wherein, its then being placed on a plate to germinate.

Like... Actualized... IS... The Cat Matrix.... 😄 basically... i would say so...

Edited 5 hours ago by kavaris

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Label the pain is label the pain, but knowing the pain is feeling it. Rats know the pain, but they don't label it

Like I keep repeating, it’s not a “ someone” who knows. You are the knowing that cannot be known.

 

 

[kavaris]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Like I keep repeating, it’s not a “ someone” who knows. You are the knowing that cannot be known.

 

 

Oh ya, thats interesting.

It gets into somethin very deep too, Alas, ive only jus woken from a nap, And my conscious-awakeness is still coming online, so to speak.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, kavaris said:

ppl take psychedelics

Nah, animals just automatically know without knowing. 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, kavaris said:

And my conscious-awakeness is still coming online, so to speak.

It’s not yours. If it was, then make it go offline, and know it’s offline. Kind of like a knowing you have died sort of thing. 
 

[kavaris]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s not yours. If it was, then make it go offline, and know it’s offline. Kind of like a knowing you have died sort of thing. 
 

I meant to say, i literally feel like im dying when i wake up, like the change-of-blood thing, like im having a panicattack when i wake up, its too much tied to, *nightmare from minutes ago thing — *body-falling-apart — *feel-like-im-dying — *trauma being re visited through this change-over — *fought to keep myself awake — *find myself in the anxiety-to-calm shift, drastically being shoved together... And then, it eventually balances out, cause its alot of high energy that im tryina just like, Go in the kitchen and eat something, like its energy that can only be redirected, otherwise its like inflammation waiting to happen.

Edited 5 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

(cont.) i mean, im always in some spectrum of a panic attack, and its like, in tryina find harmony in that, is itself the same, or similar, to the investigation of enlightenment or whatever it is, its like its the same things required/needed, so it ends up looking like its part of like, "normal attainment of", even though it looks like im in a war, harmonically speaking, or just a war of thoughts just built up over years of anxiety and experience w/ the same metamorphic things, like this constantly transforming thing that we're tryina remain in balance / harmony w/ /And im, usually, in an unrevealed state of a war that im tryina make harmonic, if that makes sense.

Edited 5 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

Q: For Everyone — Would ya'll be interested in seeing how, "believing, knowing, learning, experiencing, understanding..."   how those words are connected, yet simultaneously do they represent totally different places or points of meaning? Like is that something yous would be interested in, cause its sortve like, a very long winded thing. And, unless it connects to someone's interests, it may be a waste of time to just like, start unloading all of it out of nowhere, As its a topic that also straddles "belief itself" and this internal world belief of reality / that whenyou dig into, it gives you a new way to start investigating it. It has to be something yous would even want, otherwise its just ~ pissing in the azuli wind or watevs.

[kavaris]

(part ii) Theres also these sorts of ideas (p.s. wat do you call this subject matter? But, wait til you get to like @12:30 to answer that question for me...)

@12:30 "The original pain, the original ache..."  Although it sortve disconnects from reality, cause iuno if homosexual relationships are bound by that, Like they have a different paradigm of interests when it comes to relationships, Like iuno if "Adam & Adam" (sounds like a clothing company) would fit in their bag... Like they have a more exotic idea around relations, that doesnt fit into this realm of thinking. So in that way, again, you have something that looks like it shares a similar attitude and mythos, but its two different things... Like if we were very simple people, we could buy that, that we want a relationship because theres some deep mythology behind it, but it doesnt connect to the reality of the whole connection... Iuno...

What would you call this subject matter / topic? Like what is it actually tryina talk about, underneath of it, do ya think? Theres several possible ideas/elements.

[kavaris]

Or you know what, i take that back... Renaissance painters proved you could be homosexual and have blatant religious shyt in the soup too, but they reimagined it as Adam and god, not just Adam &eve, or atleast Michaelangelo & Leonardo (both were homosexuals) but they hated eachother, not to mention they were different ages i believe... Leonardo was older, or wait... wait wat, what is that story where leonardo goes out to the court / agora, and michaelangelo shows up pissed off everyone is hovering around him nd watknot?

P.s. Claude gave us something to keep in mind, "Worth remembering too: in that era, religious subject matter wasn't really optional — it was simply what the market (Church, confraternities, wealthy families) paid for. So "genuine belief" and "this is the job" weren't mutually exclusive; both men worked within that system regardless of where their private convictions sat"

Edited 3 hours ago by kavaris