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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, for example, how would you understand evilness and God will?

God sees no evil. God is unconditional goodness.
God created evil precisely because God is absolutely good. If God did not create evil, He would not be infinitely Good, because the evil things are longing to be created and brought into existence. They suffer from staying in nothingness .Therefore,out of his all-encompassing goodness, He created them.

Evil is a potential. God makes all potential things actual precisely because his goodness  and unlimited creating ability encompass everything.

God created pain , evil , suffering.. because he is infinitely good .

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“God is the Alpha Omega .. the beginning-less  beginning and the endless end . 
He is the first without start . He is the last without end . He is the manifest actuality ..nothing covers him . He is the most hidden essence  ..nothing can grasp him .. nothing below him or more subtle than him .The ego is the belief I’m separate from god . Because being god is too good to be true .No matter how dark it gets or difficult it gets ..no matter how long it is going to take .. my destiny is the infinite happiness and infinite joy and love as the best thing ever ..God .  “

-that’s a me .

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

That would mean that finite beings are created by God will but acts against god will 

Yes.  It's necessary for an absolutely infinite being to "create" finite-beings, plural, somethings from nothing.  There's 2 layers of abstraction.  That's what necessitates 'defiance' aka 'crossing into another's territory without consent'. Most neglect the necessity of those two hops.  Here's what it looks like broken out:

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Premise

Suppose there is a God, a being, with benevolent motives, intentions, etc, that is also simultaneously infinite.  What would this God do?  Find another, to nourish, to nurture, to cultivate.

Premise cont'd: 

If so, then, what would a God with omni-benevolent motives do?  Find others, plural, to nurture so that they can nurture themself AND others.

Point of Fact:

An absolutely infinite being is necessarily alone, because any and all are subsumed and nullified on their approach with one and only one exception:  Not-God, "Chaos-and-Void".  This union of chaos-and-void are the anti-thesis of "absolutely infinite omni-benevolence".

Conclusion:

If there is an absolutely infinite omni-benevolent being, then, it necessarily must create an "other" which is the anti-thesis of itself, then, use this as a layer of abstraction, between itself, and the "others".  This abstraction permits this theoretical being an opportunity to share itself, its infinite qualities, without nullifying and subsuming ( re-assimilating) the "others", back into their origin.

Infinite -source << Other >> others

In this arrangement, the "others" are not proximal to their source.  They need to traverse "upstream" so-to-speak crossing through nearly infinite hostility-and-indifference.  Rising and striking, simultaneously, individual souls are sinking their metaphorical fangs into the metaphorical face of God, and, God is metaphorically turning the other cheek. 

This forbearance is necessary.  If God were ever to eliminate evil, in all of its forms, then there can never be any "others", plural, to be nurtured by God and to nurture each other.  All that is possible, lacking the "oppositional force" , the "rising-and-striking", the root of evil, would be a singular infinite being nurturing one other which is the anti-thesis of itself.  In this config, no borders need to be crossed for vitality to be received from the source.  No evil is needed.  Just containment of the other.  But once "others", plural, are considered necessary, and they are for omni-benevolence, then there must be a purely evil force, trespassing and taking with no remorse.
 

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@Ziran

It seems you don't understand that a god who creates finite beings would have to do so from within himself. Therefore, it would already have those beings within himself and would have no reason to create them.

Furthermore, being infinite, he would have already done so an infinite number of times, and nothing would compel him to take any action because he would already be complete within himself.

The god you imagine is not a god; it is reality itself, and it lacks intention. It simply is and manifests itself in possibilities. There is no one behind the scenes; this, now, is reality, and it flows upon itself because it's inevitable, and possibilities arises because are possible. 

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

God sees no evil. God is unconditional goodness.
God created evil precisely because God is absolutely good. If God did not create evil, He would not be infinitely Good, because the evil things are longing to be created and brought into existence. They suffer from staying in nothingness .Therefore,out of his all-encompassing goodness, He created them.

Evil is a potential. God makes all potential things actual precisely because his goodness  and unlimited creating ability encompass everything.

God created pain , evil , suffering.. because he is infinitely good .

Why God would do that? Because he is good? Sounds bit strange, like a god who has good feelings, like a person, and has plans. Plans for what? He already did infinite plans right?

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19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why God would do that? Because he is good? Sounds bit strange, like a god who has good feelings, like a person, and has plans. Plans for what? He already did infinite plans right?

good questions.

God is not a human-like entity residing in the heavens . 
God in its essence is beyond comprehension.

however , God exists and  is conscious, intelligent , wise , good ,omnipotent.

imagine evil . Think of this evil potential possibility : a child is going to be born with bone cancer and undergoes chemotherapy and suffers excruciating pain for 5 years and then eventually dies . And his parents are messed for good . this actually happens in this world we live in , and much worse . 

imagine god thinking of that possibility before creating it :”should I create it or should I not ?”

that possibility wants to come into existence. Because god is all good and all loving ,He will create this possibility. Because he loves all possibilities and he will create them . 
 
read the Sufi Ibn Arabi .


“God is the Alpha Omega .. the beginning-less  beginning and the endless end . 
He is the first without start . He is the last without end . He is the manifest actuality ..nothing covers him . He is the most hidden essence  ..nothing can grasp him .. nothing below him or more subtle than him .The ego is the belief I’m separate from god . Because being god is too good to be true .No matter how dark it gets or difficult it gets ..no matter how long it is going to take .. my destiny is the infinite happiness and infinite joy and love as the best thing ever ..God .  “

-that’s a me .

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