I understand the science rant now.

[Stick]

5 hours ago, Elliott said:

You science deniers really don't understand what science is, science gives observations, that's it, they even just call their 'science' theory . 

This is second grade level shit.

no one is denying science. I am just denying authority from the scientist so that I can have the science for myself  with its limitation. I actually love maths and physics and science is beautiful. That doesnt mean that scientist know shits about god.

[Elliott]

Objective reality just means it's the same for everyone, if it's proven to not be then it's no longer a legitimate theory, which happens, examples would be flat earth, or god....

If science does a study that shows the earth isn't flat, then the scientific community tests the theory, and if everyone observes the same results, it's then considered a useful observation. If you go on to say "I observe a flat world" purely emotionally with dispelled evidence, well, have fun with that, science doesn't burn you to death in a vat of oil, that's religion, you're allowed to Darwin yourself.

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[Stick]

of course the scientific method is very sound. The problem is scientist just assume they can apply it to everything (without any introspection). Its like applying rationality in everything except the act of doing so which creates a vicious cycle. Science is complete in itself and it never says that it is correct (because it is can never prove itself).
How bout this?
If you know that you are GOD as surely as 1+1 = 2. And some scientists says that you are probably hallucinating and in the actual reality 1+1 = 3 and he 'proved' it with an unproven method. How will you react??
Of course science is proved, but only to the extent of this reality. We are searching for the beginning and end of reality.
Do you really think from the bottom of your heart that science will ever take you there??

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Stick said:

of course the scientific method is very sound. The problem is scientist just assume they can apply it to everything (

No they don't,  that's anti-science.

Edited 5 hours ago by Elliott

[Elliott]

Next time you get a cut or injury don't clean it or bandage it, that's scientism/satanism, just rub dirt on it and say a prayer to GOD, have A God believer spit on it!!! Prove scientism wrong!! Science will pay you a million dollars!!

✊️ God is real guys, just pray the gay away. If God wants you to die by a 'curable' disease so be it, glory to god!

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Stick said:

Of course science is proved, but only to the extent of this reality. We are searching for the beginning and end of reality.
Do you really think from the bottom of your heart that science will ever take you there??

I mean I answered this in my other post on dreams but yes of course, why wouldn't the scientific method work to transcend reality? As a matter of fact how could any other method? 

If you blink and there you stand in your chair but you are now floating in a red space with multiple planets and strange creatures around I'd argue the first thing you would do is use the scientific method to make sense of what's happening. You would raise your hands in front of your face and touch your body in bewilderment probably. That's a hypothesis that usually you have a body and hands and you are testing if they are still there. You'd perhaps reach into your pockets and see if you have objects that you usually carry like your phone and wallets. 

I think you guys are underestimating how core the scientific paradigm is to our reality, it's the foundation of rationalism. If you claim you are now post rational you have to describe a framework that's superior to empiricism and the scientific method to explore reality. Remember that the paradigm we used before science was basically just the wisdom of the elders. If you're born and your parents tell you that you should bow down to a bush everyday because "that bush is the sacred God Ozabara and if you do not worship him we are all doomed!" then that's what you did. Until Abrahamic religions that took this random faith and centralized it into the one God and made everything else paganism which only started to unravel in 1543 when Copernicus observed that the earth seems to orbit the sun and not the other way around so perhaps we are not the center of the universe. 

The scientific method is basically the only tool we have to stop random people from putting their wild random beliefs in our heads. We can test if those beliefs are true and produce the same results that other people have claimed. That's it. You guys throw all this other wild ideology and dogma into Science but there's the method and then there are governments since that time that have sponsored various career scientists to investigate various fields of life since then. 

@Hojo Plenty of people have talked about having an experience of God without being locked up, it's pretty common for even mainstream people to say that God directly talked to them and revealed mysterious secrets about their life or reality to them.

Science described shared reality phenomena that we can observe and replicate and calls that the basis for rationality. Some scientists are christians. Some scientists are muslim. Some scientists are atheists(not even most btw.) Their ontological belief has not much to do with their scientific findings and the stuff they are able to achieve in reality.

If you don't believe that Elon says you're the one with faulty epistemology. This is ORBCOMM-2 on December 21, 2015, the first time in human history a orbital-class rocket booster was recovered intact which completely revolutionized the space industry.

Now that you've awakened to your true nature as God almighty itself, can you also build and land an orbital-class rocket booster? Probably not bro. Me neither bro but we don't need to, we have Elon to figure it out for us. If you're gonna call him out on some of the shenanigans he does that's fair he deserves it, he also deserves the recognition for this otherwise you're pretty much 100% delusional there's no other way to spin it.

 

[Hojo]

@LordFall

Science has to say becoming God is plausible it wont.

You keep equating seeing God to it giving you some sort of physical abilites in real world. That has nothing to do with what im talking about. Even if people can say they become God and it does nothing its still a subjective view that many people have that its ignoring. Could it give us some sort of abilities after study? Why are they ignoring it? Me as God dosent want to build a booster.

 

Since science is measuring the human mind that means that when you go into psychosis, reality is going into psychosis in the same way physics is happening in reality.

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[LordFall]

Well that's what I mean, I don't know what you're talking about most times I read your posts. I try to ground myself personally in very tangible outcomes so it makes sense why my personality type resonates more with the scientific framework. To be fair though I do believe it's the most valuable way to think and live your life. If you don't value tangible outcomes you will not be very successful in any society on earth due to not being able to produce anything that's useful for your fellow human beings and thus waste our time and yours as well. 

 

Edited 53 minutes ago by LordFall