Idiocy

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Instead, look closely at that which seems to claim ownership and declares them as "my thoughts" 

What is it that claims ownership?

 

Why should be ownership? there is not an owner there is a process happening, and what you are is the process that involves knowledge of being. There in not "someone" knowing that is, but knowledge of being is happening and this knowledge is the self itself. A self always is the fact of knowing of being.

If you are in coma you still exist, but there is not knowledge of being, then there is not self. If you awake from coma there is knowledge of being, even you awake mentally retarded without memory and only capable of distinguish light and dark and being scared of darkness, there is knowledge of being, there is a rudimentary mind that knows that is and that feels darkness as a threat of that fact of being. Self is the same than awareness.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I think I understand what you mean.

 

It’s like a reality spoken about, or explained , or described, is imposing limits upon what is ultimately limitless?

Is that what you are saying?

It depends of how you describe it. It's just a matter of psychological closure. Some descriptions are restrictive, while others allow for openness.

If your conceptual framework is: reality is, this allows for openness because it doesn't imply any boundaries; there's no opposite left out. "Non-being" isn't restrictive.

But if your frame it's: reality is nothing, then you're closed off because this idea excludes its opposite, something. What's something? Just any manifestation. Manifestation appears, then how could be "nothing"? According non duality because really they are nothing but they appear something. That's only a way of labelling what appears. The goal is not that but allow the total openess of the focus to the absolute being. The fact of being itself, without any restriction or label, absolutely naked of anything except the actual fact that is now without any limitations. 

Naming it is irrelevant, the point is being it now. You are that now, exactly here and not the absolute being is. That's obvious right? But the point is being totally open to this fact, this is the reality, to be open to this fact the separation between subject and object must disappear, being open means "being", you have to be the absolute without restrictions now. It's the same how you name it, but some labels create separation. 

Edited yesterday at 07:56 PM by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why should be ownership? there is not an owner there is a process happening, and what you are is the process that involves knowledge of being. There in not "someone" knowing that is, but knowledge of being is happening and this knowledge is the self itself. A self always is the fact of knowing of being.

Exactly, there isn't an owner and that so-called knowledgeable "self" which believes it's part of a process unfolding, is a thought based illusion.

It doesn't actually know anything because its not actually real. 

It is simply creating a circular logic "self" affirming dream story about the apparent functioning of reality, and then spins in circles like a hamster on its wheel ♻️  until the physical body dies......end of story!

Throughout it's entire spiritually conditioned exploration of reality, it's been nothing but concept after concept placed overtop of reality until one concept seemed to be convincing enough to stick with and turn into a permanent belief system.

This belief system actually has nothing important to do with reality. It's a tiny part of reality like a grain of sand, but it's not all of reality or anything silly like that! It's really just a bundle of thoughts, so a grain of sand is actually more real.

This belief could be plucked entirely out of existence, and reality would continue to function as normal. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

This belief system actually has nothing important to do with reality. It's a tiny part of reality like a grain of sand, but it's not all of reality or anything silly like that! It's really just a bundle of thoughts, so a grain of sand is actually more real.

It's not a belief system; it's the direct fact of being. It seems the previous text was too complicated and you didn't understand it, that's why you wrote again a condescending nonsense.

Let's look at this: YOU ARE. YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FACT OF BEING CONSCIOUS OF BEING. THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO KNOW. THEREFORE, YOU KNOW EVERYTHING

It's simple enough? Then, as you are and the reality is, then the reality and you are not different. Where is the problem? Remove everything until absolute being remains, and that s it. It's not like understanding quantum physics, it's quite simple. 

Or if you prefer (to avoid the forbidden "you"):  the fact of being is what appears as "you" in the form of a conscious mind.

 The fact of being is absolute because the fact of non being is not a fact, is nothing, nothing is not. Being is. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Breakingthewall