Jim Newman is really good.

[Wilhelm44]

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes.  Precisely.   No self is enlightenment and then the rest follows.  I've always said this.  But there is more to reality than just no self.  But to answer your question yes I have.  You will ultimately awaken to discover that you are the Mind of God.  The ego is just a facade.

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

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[Inliytened1]

33 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

When it does happen there will be some shock and horror.  

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

You dont lose your sense of self permanently that comes back.  Ego death is enlightenment when that self is seen to be an illusion there is a mystical shift in consciousness.  You're getting to the crux of it now.

[Wilhelm44]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You dont lose your sense of self permanently that comes back.

According to Jim Newman, for him that sense of separate self disappeared completely, never to return. (It never really existed in the first place.)

The way he describes it, is that thoughts and emotions are still happening, but there is no one left to claim them, ie it's all impersonal.

So he would still feel physical pain.

But no psychological suffering, because there is no one there to claim ownership of thoughts or feelings.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

According to Jim Newman, for him that sense of separate self disappeared completely, never to return. (It never really existed in the first place.)

The way he describes it, is that thoughts and emotions are still happening, but there is no one left to claim them, ie it's all impersonal.

So he would still feel physical pain.

But no psychological suffering, because there is no one there to claim ownership of thoughts or feelings.

You make an excellent point and why i said don't listen to him.  It seems he did not have the mystical shift where the state of consciousness changes.  The ego dissolves and you are left with a non-dual state of consciousness.   God consciousness or whatever you wanna call it.  He takes it as conceptual.  It is not. It is mystical.  And then you come back as you..hopefully.  Left to pick up the pieces of what you just discovered. 

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[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

He takes it as conceptual.

I'm not so sure about that. He says "This" is not an experience. 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I'm not so sure about that. He says "This" is not an experience. 

He could be enlightened but if he was i would expect him to talk more about mystical states of consciousness. He seems to be a representation of his senior. I forgot his name. But you know who I am talking about.  I do love his famous interview though someone should post it here. It's hilarious.  He does seem to get it and be awake..yet there is something not right.

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[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

He could be enlightened but if he was i would expect him to talk more about mystical states of consciousness. He seems to be a representation of his senior. I forgot his name. But you lnow who i.am talking about.  I do love his famous interview though someone should post it here. Its hilarious.  He does seem to get it and he awake..yet there is something not right.

Yeah, Tony Parsons.

I think he purposely avoids talking about mystical states of consciousness.

For him it's about the seeking energy which apparently veils the indescribable mystery.

The seeking energy is linked to an apparent character which believes itself to be in separation.

His message points out the futility of seeking.

Even seeking is the indescribable mystery.

For him personally that seeking energy fell away completely.

Sense of separation fell away completely.

All there is is indescribable mystery.

And this is not a state or an experience.

I'm probably not doing the message justice, but it's something like that.

(You mentioned "hopefully the sense of self comes back". This was not the case for Jim)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, Tony Parsons.

I think he purposely avoids talking about mystical states of consciousness.

For him it's about the seeking energy which apparently veils the indescribable mystery.

The seeking energy is linked to an apparent character which believes itself to be in separation.

His message points out the futility of seeking.

Even seeking is the indescribable mystery.

For him personally that seeking energy fell away completely.

Sense of separation fell away completely.

All there is is indescribable mystery.

And this is not a state or an experience.

I'm probably not doing the message justice, but it's something like that.

(You mentioned "hopefully the sense of self comes back". This was not the case for Jim)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of that is on par but its conceptual. My fear is that he has then done what has been done for centuries.  Turn it into a religion.  You do not see Leo and Ralston doing that.  If you want to listen to him go right ahead..but ultimately you are gonna have to discover it for yourself. 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Turn it into a religion.

Quite the opposite, there's nothing in his message for the individual, no techniques, no path etc.

I'm still listening to Leo and others.

I just think it's rare to meet someone where the sense of separate self has fallen away never to return.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Quite the opposite, there's nothing in his message for the individual, no techniques, no path etc.

I'm still listening to Leo and others.

I just think it's rare to meet someone where the sense of separate self has fallen away never to return.

He chooses to live like that otherwise he would go insane.  You don't think he feeds himself? Come on.  When you lose yourself you cannot even function as a human being so he's feeding you a line of BS there.  Another reason why I said don't listen to him.  

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

He chooses to live like that otherwise he would go insane.  You don't think he feeds himself? Come on.  When you lose yourself you cannot even function as a human being so he's feeding you a line of BS there.  Another reason why I said don't listen to him.  

You misunderstood.

Functioning still happens. Thoughts and emotions arise. 

But there is no Jim character in there to claim all of that as his own.

ie it's all impersonal happening.

Hence no psychological suffering.

But of course physical pain can still occur. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You misunderstood.

Functioning still happens. Thoughts and emotions arise. 

But there is no Jim character in there to claim all of that as his own.

ie it's all impersonal happening.

Hence no psychological suffering.

But of course physical pain can still occur. 

I didn't misunderstand anything   That is still after the fact.  The ego is still there otherwise there would be no interview.  No anything. I don't think you are grasping this.

[Elliott]

Newman types seem to work for people looking to dissociate, escape something, using spirituality as a 'therapy'.

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[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

ego is still there otherwise there would be no interview

I don't think you have actually heard Jim speak about this.

His experience of daily life is very radically different.

I will see if I can find a clip for you.

There is no one behind the wheel, not just for Jim, but actually for everyone.

The illusion is that there's a real character called Wilhelm who's doing this life.

Ultimately life is happening automatically.

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Newman types seem to work for people looking to dissociate, escape something, using spirituality as a therapy.

Yes, to escape spirituality itself.

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I don't think you have actually heard Jim speak about this.

His experience of daily life is very radically different.

I will see if I can find a clip for you.

There is no one behind the wheel, not just for Jim, but actually for everyone.

The illusion is that there's a real character called Wilhelm who's doing this life.

Ultimately life is happening automatically.

If I had to live ego less what is the point.  You see? The whole point is to have the ego that is why it comes back after enlightenment. 

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yes, to escape spirituality 

I disagree. Most people have no idea what actual spirituality is, Newman being one that doesn't know it. Newman's dissociation is to escape life, or something in it like subconscious trauma.

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

I disagree. Most people have no idea what spirituality is, Newman being one that doesn't know it. Newman's dissociation is to escape life, or something in it.

That would appear accurate sir.

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If I had to live ego less what is the point

There is no point.