Jim Newman is really good.

[Wilhelm44]

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes.  Precisely.   No self is enlightenment and then the rest follows.  I've always said this.  But there is more to reality than just no self.  But to answer your question yes I have.  You will ultimately awaken to discover that you are the Mind of God.  The ego is just a facade.

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

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[Inliytened1]

33 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

When it does happen there will be some shock and horror.  

[Inliytened1]

34 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

How is it possible not to realize God when the sense of a separate self has disappeared permanently never to return ?

You dont lose your sense of self permanently that comes back.  Ego death is enlightenment when that self is seen to be an illusion there is a mystical shift in consciousness.  You're getting to the crux of it now.

[Wilhelm44]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You dont lose your sense of self permanently that comes back.

According to Jim Newman, for him that sense of separate self disappeared completely, never to return. (It never really existed in the first place.)

The way he describes it, is that thoughts and emotions are still happening, but there is no one left to claim them, ie it's all impersonal.

So he would still feel physical pain.

But no psychological suffering, because there is no one there to claim ownership of thoughts or feelings.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

According to Jim Newman, for him that sense of separate self disappeared completely, never to return. (It never really existed in the first place.)

The way he describes it, is that thoughts and emotions are still happening, but there is no one left to claim them, ie it's all impersonal.

So he would still feel physical pain.

But no psychological suffering, because there is no one there to claim ownership of thoughts or feelings.

You make an excellent point and why i said don't listen to him.  It seems he did not have the mystical shift where the state of consciousness changes.  The ego dissolves and you are left with a non-dual state of consciousness.   God consciousness or whatever you wanna call it.  He takes it as conceptual.  It is not. It is mystical.  And then you come back as you..hopefully.  Left to pick up the pieces of what you just discovered. 

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[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

He takes it as conceptual.

I'm not so sure about that. He says "This" is not an experience.