Detachment and Playfulness is a natural consequence of becoming more conscious

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Right now I can't, but who knows later haha. I honestly don't know what is possible and impossible. I'm open.

You never could. The only problem with that philosophy of enlightenment that claims that you are the field of consciousness where the thoughts arise is that is false. It sounds good and have great acceptation between spiritual people, as we listen in that relate in the video, but it's just falsehood. Its a kind of narcissism that locates the self in a position of control while they call it no self. 

Anyway imo ayu khandro didn't claim that reality is consciousness but rigpa, that could be interpreted as unlimited. She was conscious of the unlimited nature or reality, not that reality is consciousness, but their explanations are vague 

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[Eskilon]

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Its a kind of narcissism that locates the self in a position of control while they call it no self. 

Self and no self can be the same thing expressed in different ways.

 

13 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anyway imo ayu khandro didn't claim that reality is consciousness but rigpa, that could be interpreted as unlimited. She was conscious of the unlimited nature or reality, not that reality is consciousness, but their explanations are vague 

Reality must be consciousness because you are conscious right now. Whatever you mean by unlimited must be consciousness. A field where every experience can be housed seems like a good pointer.

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Reality must be consciousness because you are conscious right now.

Reality is conscious because I'm conscious right now. It's different. Consciousness is the reality being aware of itself, not the reality itself. 

[Eskilon]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is conscious because I'm conscious right now. It's different. Consciousness is the reality being aware of itself, not the reality itself. 

The Object can't be different from the Subject. Nor can an object exist without a Subject. Reality must be awareness(whatever that is) by the simple fact of your experience right now.

 

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

The Object can't be different from the Subject. Nor can an object exist without a Subject. Reality must be awareness(whatever that is) by the simple fact of your experience right now.

 

19 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

So in your opinion you are creating your experience, that is not real? Like solipsism?

[Eskilon]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So in your opinion you are creating your experience, that is not real? Like solipsism?

I don't know, it's more like a luminous emptiness. I cannot point where I am, but there's awareness. This awareness seems to be the space where everything is, before attention or objects.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

I don't know, it's more like a luminous emptiness. I cannot point where I am, but there's awareness. This awareness seems to be the space where everything is, before attention or objects.

3 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

22 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

Maybe you can get empty mind by meditation, it means that you can leave the mental level of the meaning at will due your practice, but the interpretation: reality it consciousness, could be wrong 

[Eskilon]

28 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

reality it consciousness, could be wrong

If it is wrong then the whole spirituality and all the people on this forum is wrong, but you are right. But see, I have no strings attached to nobody or thing, I am that open-mindend, so, what is reality according to you? What is your ontology?

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

If it is wrong then the whole spirituality and all the people on this forum is wrong, but you are right. But see, I have no strings attached to nobody or thing, I am that open-mindend, so, what is reality according to you? What is your ontology?

Just simple and inevitable when you remove what is impossible. 

Reality is limitless, and because it is limitless, it is. Therefore, it is absolute potential. This implies that any coherent relational framework possible, occurs. Any equation that is not contradictory and can be sustained unfolds. There is no will behind it; there is inevitability.

In that cloud of coherent processes we call the universe, self-preserving processes appear, which we call life. These processes separate from the universe without contradicting it, but create a particular internal legal framework. This creates apparent duality, and when the level of complexity exceeds a certain threshold, the living process generates a model of reality that simulates the organism's interaction with the external world.

This model is consciousness, which creates experience by registering and anticipating change. This process is a reality in itself; it is reality in the form of consciousness or awareness of being. In consciousness, reality looks at itself, opens its eyes, and becomes a self that perceives itself.

This perception can eliminate all relationality and open itself to the absolute, to the total nature of reality, and in doing so, reality recognizes itself. Then the absolute fire manifest, the total power that reality is, that you are, but it's not someone, it's total, unlimited and lives. 

[Eskilon]

@Breakingthewall I am trying to understand how your position is fundamentally different from the norm of consciousness only.

What do you mean exactly by "limitless"? What substance does limitless have? 

I feel you are essentially saying the same thing just with different words and in a more verbose way.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Eskilon said:

What do you mean exactly by "limitless"? What substance does limitless have? 

I feel you are essentially saying the same thing just with different words and in a more verbose way

13 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

Really you didn't get it? It's totally different. Limitless is not something, it's openess, absence of límits that implies absolute potential. It's not a substance, it's a previous condition, just no bottom or edges. That's what you are ultimately, and that's everything. 

It's not the same than saying that reality is consciousness, like kastrup, that's impossible, just a projection.

Imo it's absolutely different saying "absolute potential without restrictions that is updated by logical consistency" than "pure consciousness that is dreaming your experience out love". One of them is, let's say a mistake, being polite 

The absolute is not something like consciousness, neither infinity, it's the previous condition, can't be thought, but you can be open to it because you are that. "Consciousness" as absolute is a closure, it's totally obvious.

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[Eskilon]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Limitless is not something, it's openess, absence of límits that implies absolute potential. It's not a substance, it's a previous condition, just no bottom or edges.

Well, that sounds exactly like the consciousness view. Consciousness does not have a bottom, edge, it is not something or previous condition. 

 

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The absolute is not something like consciousness, neither infinity, it's the previous condition, can't be thought, but you can be open to it because you are that.

Consciousness can't be thought too, it is what holds thoughts. The absolute as you say, must be infinite, how is it not infinity? It is open indeed, but that openness is consciousness.

Consciousness is just a pointer word for absolute, exactly your view.

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Well, that sounds exactly like the consciousness view. Consciousness does not have a bottom, edge, it is not something or previous condition

14 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

17 hours ago, Eskilon said:

 

Consciousness is being aware. It's something, means that it's awareness. It's not a previous condition, it's not necessary, and unconscious universe could happen. 

47 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Consciousness can't be thought too, it is what holds thoughts. The absolute as you say, must be infinite, how is it not infinity? It is open indeed, but that openness is consciousness.

Again, consciousness can be thought easily: it's the fact of being aware.

That openess is not consciousness, thinking in that way happens because you can't imagine a reality that is not conscious of itself, because you are conscious of yourself 

[Eskilon]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's something,

Where it is? Can you show it to me?

 

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not a previous condition, it's not necessary, and unconscious universe could happen. 

it is necessary, you could not type this words without being conscious, why is that? All conditions arise because you are conscious. An unconscious universe cannot exist because nothing can exist without awareness, this is basic logic. Non-existence cannot exist, by definition. 

 

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

it's the fact of being aware.

You cannot think that, it is prior to thinking. This is not complicated.

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Where it is? Can you show it to me?

I already did, it's a relational structure, a model that the brain creates. 

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

is necessary, you could not type this words without being conscious, why is that? All conditions arise because you are conscious. An unconscious universe cannot exist because nothing can exist without awareness, this is basic logic. Non-existence cannot exist, by definition. 

It's just antrophormize the reality.  Maybe the next thing you could say is that as I can't be out of my experience only my experience exist. This is the way of reasoning of a flat earth believer . It's not an attack, just try to see this perspective, then dismiss it if you see that it's wrong 

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

You cannot think that, it is prior to thinking. This is not complicated.

If there is not an structure that register the reality, creates a duality and predict the next, there is not consciousness, it's like anesthesia, unconsciousness, but reality still exist. Believing that consciousness is necessary occurs because you need a conscious creator, because you can't see a reality that emerges instead to be created, then you need a Deus ex machina to explain everything.

Consciousness without registration of change is exactly unconsciousness, then pure empty consciousness is unconsciousness, same if you are in anesthesia. 

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