Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It looked like Me which was the container of all the stuff inside. Like a field.

What does a container look like, do you have an image of this said seen container?

[Joseph Maynor]

41 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What does a container look like, do you have an image of this said seen container?

I can recollect the trip yes.  It is like the saying be the atmosphere not the clouds.  It is a realization that you are not a cloud, You are the Atmosphere.

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I can recollect the trip yes.  It is like the saying be the atmosphere not the clouds.  It is a realization that you are not a cloud, You are the Atmosphere.

Show me an image of this said seen container me, as absolute evidence of your claim. Otherwise you might just have said awareness looks like 45

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

28 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Show me an image of this said seen container me, as absolute evidence of your claim. Otherwise you might just have said awareness looks like 45

 

 

This is where psychedelics become important.  It is an experience.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is where psychedelics become important.  It is an experience.

Nice deflection. Still no show.

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nice deflection. Still no show.

This is a deflection.  You have to do the psychedelics yourself.  I can't convey that to you.  

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is a deflection.  You have to do the psychedelics yourself.  I can't convey that to you.  

Saying you’ve seen awareness is your belief. A belief is a lie you’ve fallen for hook line and sinker.

Saying awareness looks like a container me is arbitrary and meaningless. 
 

The only thing you can be certain of is that you are aware, or conscious. The buck stops there, everything else is linguistic, in other words, known conceptually, but never actually seen. 
 

Not to confuse seeing with knowing. Seeing is the seen, the observer is the observed, and knowing is the known.

 

You are mistaking objective reality for the knower. But there is no knower without turning the knower into an object seen.

 

Objects see and know nothing.
 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You seem to assume a duality between mind and awareness.  

This is a good topic for further discussion.  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is a good topic for further discussion.  

Don’t tell me here that you there have seen awareness without showing me here the evidence for your claim there.
Provide evidence. Without evidence you cannot convince others you’ve seen awareness, you can only convince yourself. And that would be your own delusion of grandeur. 

[Mellowmarsh]

15 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is where psychedelics become important.  It is an experience.

No one ever used psychedelics. Nothing is important. No one experiences or sees awareness. Awareness is never seen, never experienced . Rather, awareness is seen through, known only to be seen as not actually there as an image. Awareness simply has no image.  Is there such a thing as “awareness in which things appear”?
Where is the division between awareness and appearances? There is no division between awareness and appearances.

When awareness tries to get a peek up its own skirt, it sees only nothing. Now get your head out of your ass. From inside of the body it’s hard to get a handle of what’s going on, there’s simply nothing happening. 

Keep talking about nothing as nothing is the only thing you’re going to know anything about.
There’s no “ you” to know. Nothing is already this immediate knowing that cannot be known. 

This not-knowing, immediate, and closer than your very own skin. 
 

All seen images are the images of the imageless, that’s all that’s seen.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Joseph Maynor]

12 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Don’t tell me here that you there have seen awareness without showing me here the evidence for your claim there.
Provide evidence. Without evidence you cannot convince others you’ve seen awareness, you can only convince yourself. And that would be your own delusion of grandeur. 

Can you not make these things so personal?

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you not make these things so personal?

Stop replying, be still, and quiet. Then you’ll see that both the personal and the impersonal are appearances, images of the imageless.

 

Looking out I see everything, looking in I see nothing is the illusion of duality and the ego. It means that while the external world is vast and full of distraction, looking inward requires observing the "witness" or "watcher," where emptiness is actually the pure, unconditioned state of being.

 

There’s nothing to discuss. Bye for now. R.I.P

Edited 3 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Stop replying, be still, and quiet. Then you’ll see the both the personal and the impersonal are appearances, images of the imageless.

 

Looking out I see everything, looking in I see nothing is the illusion of duality and the ego. It means that while the external world is vast and full of distraction, looking inward requires observing the "witness" or "watcher," where emptiness is actually the pure, unconditioned state of being.

 

There’s nothing to discuss. Bye for now. R.I.P

You seem like you need validation from me or like you have an axe to grind.  You are constantly in teacher mode lately.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

You seem like you need validation from me or like you have an axe to grind.  You are constantly in teacher mode lately.

It’s hard to die, I know. Just let it go, joe, I know it’s hard. 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s hard to die, I know. Just let it go, joe, I know it’s hard. 

Why do you need to convince me?  I gave you honest answers to your questions in this thread.  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Why do you need to convince me?  I gave you honest answers to your questions in this thread.  

Still clinging on, I see, just let it go, Joe. 
 

 Two sages cannot have a discussion as there’s no one there to bounce off. Have the final word if you want, I’m all allowing.

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Still clinging on, I see, just let it go, Joe. 
 

 Two sages cannot have a discussion as there’s no one there to bounce off. Have the final word if you want, I’m all allowing.

 

 

Why don't you explain your duality between mind and awareness.  

[Mellowmarsh]

You might have given honest answers, but you failed to show an imaged picture of your claimed I’ve seen awareness and it looks like a container me. That’s your honest answer, but you’re not going to convince anyone else thats an honest answer except yourself.

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you not make these things so personal?

If the shoe fits…wear it.

 

There’s just empty words pouring out of no one’s mouth.

Words are sound heard as words. Welcome to the echo chamber. Mr skeleton 💀 

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If the shoe fits…wear it.

 

There’s just empty words pouring out of no one’s mouth.

Words are sound heard as words. Welcome to the echo chamber. Mr skeleton 💀 

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