Illusion of Self/Death

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Just for it to simply occur?

Requiring neither inside nor out?

What if it had no choice but to occur and there was no inside or out just vague abstractions of what inside and outside are?

What if the Kingdom of Heaven was inside you and outside you so there is no inside you or outside you?

[No1Here2c]

4 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What if it had no choice but to occur and there was no inside or out just vague abstractions of what inside and outside are?

Well this would simply be more occurence. What underlies occurence in order for it to be seen? Upon what table does experience sit?

Does experience require a table to sit on?

Or is all sitting upon, and structure to, occuring within experience?

Attempts to ground experience within itself?

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[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

What underlies occurence in order for it to be seen?

What if its Gods will?

 

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Upon what table does experience sit?

What if its whatever table God wants to manifest to sit at?

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What if its whatever table God wants to manifest to sit at?

God would simply be sitting at himself.

But what is God?

How does God construct the table?

What material is the table made out of?

& who takes this all in?

Who sees God do this?

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[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

But what is God?

What if its the only thing in existence and therefore doesn't need a label but we assign it one anyway so the universe can understand what it is in the true absence of labels?

 

Just now, No1Here2c said:

How does God construct the table?

What if God constructs the table by wanting a table to construct?

Just now, No1Here2c said:

What material is the table made out of?

What if its the same thing you're made out of?

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

God would simply be sitting at himself.

What if God was already is doing that?

Edited 9 hours ago by Willy Phallicus

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What if God constructs the table by wanting a table to construct?

Wouldn't the 'act of wanting' itself be something that God must construct?

How does God utilize 'wanting' to construct prior to construction of 'wanting'?

5 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

The universe can understand what it is in the true absence of labels?

As all of form a degree of labels? Can all of form be done away with & still the universe to understand itself? Is understanding itself a form which disrupts universe from grasping its nature?

5 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What if its the same thing you're made out of?

Flesh & bone?

What is flesh & bone made out of?

Being? Perception? Experience?

What is experience made out of?

What is the material of which comprises perception?

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[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What if God was already is doing that?

If God were doing that this instant he must have devised a way to trick himself from understanding that this is what he's actively doing.

[Willy Phallicus]

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Wouldn't the 'act of wanting' itself be something that God must construct?

Does Will manifest in any other way?

3 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How does God utilize 'wanting' to construct prior to construction of 'wanting'?

What if he didn't need a reason as his existence is meaningless? Or what if the reason was he has nothing better to do with infinity other than to construct stuff for his own amusement since its only him for forever?  What if he chose oblivion instead and we weren't able to have this conversation?

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

As all of form a degree of labels? Can all of form be done away with & still the universe to understand itself? Is understanding itself a form which disrupts universe from grasping its nature?

What if it doesn't need to understand or do anything and just needs to remember?  What if you need to turn understanding into overstanding? What if you grasp it when you want too and not a moment before?

15 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Flesh & bone?

What is flesh & bone made out of?

Being? Perception? Experience?

What is experience made out of?

Are you really made of flesh and bone? Why does experience need to be made out of anything if you can have the experience of experience being made out of things?

17 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

What is the material of which comprises perception?

What if the raw material was imagination and nothing else?

14 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

If God were doing that this instant he must have devised a way to trick himself from understanding that this is what he's actively doing.

What if he was doing precisely that in this instant but also left it open so he could be "tricked" into waking up to who he is?

[Mellowmarsh]

The Fire That Leaves Only Peace

There is a love that does not comfort—It incinerates.

It does not ask what you want to keep.

It sees what you need to release

and sets it aflame.

Divine love is not gentle

in the way we imagine gentleness.

It is the forest fire that clears dead wood,

the fever that burns away infection,

the crucible that melts down everything false

until only truth remains.

It burns away your carefully constructed identities,

You need to be understood,

your hunger for approval,

your stories about who hurt you and why.

It burns and burns and burns—your anger,

your bitterness,

your fear of not being enough,

Your fear of being too much.

And you think you are being destroyed.

But when the flames finally subside,

when the smoke clears and you dare to look—You find you are still standing.

Not the you that you defended so fiercely,

but something older, truer, unshakeable.

What remains after divine love has done its work

is not rubble.

It is peace.

The kind of peace that needs nothing,

fears nothing,

proves nothing.

The kind of peace that sits in the centre of your chest

like a temple you forgot you carried,

like a silence so profound

It sounds like home.

[James123]

10 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Ego creates fear out of survival. Fear is the result of the existence of ego in a survival framework. Ego is the very survival framework. Fear is self-contructed by survival, to maintain survival.

The very existence of ego, that could be called 'survival self', is what spawns in & creates the very thing we call death itself. Death is the dissolution of the self identity, as priority over preservation of the physical form. Both, do go in conjunction with one another. Although ego is defending on several layers, with an order of operational priority. When it comes to superior position of control, protection of self identity often does win over against physical protection of the body. 

Briefly: Ego, or self identity, is the full compilation of all navigational structures held within perspectival conscious awareness. Ego is the very holding of these survival tools. Self identity is the pinnacle of this compilation. You, as human, are self identity. There is no distance. You are the very thing we speak of.

Death could not exist within conscious awareness without an 'overlay' of a limited, self identity. Self is given, via itself, the directive: 'must be continued under all costs & conditions'.

Ego, the self image, is so strong that it will do anything to continue its survival, including overriding the physical body's need to. This survival runs deeper in root than mere physical form. What it really is, is survival of the self image. The self image is what 'you' as a self, really are.

This is hard to understand without an experiential reference point for a conscious state unidentified from self image.

Consciousness, holds within it all form. Consciousness, under influence of ego, is in mode of identification with form. In identification the distance between the form, and the awareness itself is made blind to. Awareness under ego influence is unaware of its own true disidentified, non-localized nature. Identification is consciousness without capacity for distancing.

Form extends beyond physicality. A thought, is a form. An image of the mind, is a form. These mental images can feel solid. Cognitive constructions can feel real, like a brick wall. This is precisely as the self image form appears. As undoubtable as brick.

It certainly does benefit to have a reference point of conscious awareness beyond identification mode in order to be able properly to see this. Though there may be within the intuition that this is accurate. Worth following.

Upon awareness's recognition of its unidentified, immaterial nature, self identity may be 'seen through' as illusory. Self is as mirage which takes on hard unbreakable quality, until it is 'broken through'.

Death too, as a critical aspect of ego self, is also able to be seen through in exactly the same manner. With breaking through of self identity often comes the breaking through of the illusory barrier of death. This 'death barrier', albeit illusory, also is maintained in form by this brick wall like quality. Death sustains the self, self sustains death. Again, until broken through, where consciousness develops an understanding of it's true, 'actual' nature and functioning, it will likely remain in identification mode.

Consciousness can understand itself to be immortal. This does not mean you, as a personal identity will stick around Forever. Maybe, maybe not, but consciousness itself most definitely will, in it's disidentified form.

Contemplate on this,

Death sustains the self, self sustains death. 

What about birth?

[Mellowmarsh]

His death certificate became my birth certificate.