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[Mellowmarsh]

To escape this HELL & Heaven  this same place.

One must die and know death this placeless place.

How does one die. One doesn’t, one awakens. 
 

Hello. 

[Opulence]

What would you specifically know about heaven and hell except all that is conditioned by religion?

[Mellowmarsh]

13 minutes ago, Opulence said:

What would you specifically know about heaven and hell except all that is conditioned by religion?

Not conditioned by religion per se , but conditioned by our society a make-belief believed via the mental construction of human linguistics. 

 

 

[Opulence]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Not conditioned by religion per se , but conditioned by our society a make-belief believed via the mental construction of human linguistics. 

 

 

Yea, what's heaven and hell according to you?Define.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Opulence said:

Yea, what's heaven and hell according to you?Define.

Define you? 

[Opulence]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Define you? 

A living breathing human being. You neee to answer my question. I don't expect deflection. 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Opulence said:

Yea, what's heaven and hell according to you?Define.

Belief. 

[Opulence]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Belief. 

Belief is created. And something created doesn't awaken you. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Opulence said:

Belief is created. And something created doesn't awaken you. Sorry to burst your bubble.

No one ever awakened.

Words, which denote first principles cannot be defined, people think that they can but they ignore the blatant fact that they are either self referential, or anthropomorphic.

In this never ending story of make-belief. In this conception.

[Mellowmarsh]

No "Person" Awakens: Enlightenment is not an experience that happens to a person, as that implies the person (ego) can possess or lose it. Instead, it is the realisation that the person is not the ultimate reality, but rather awareness itself.

 

Who awakens: It was I: and yet, it was not I.

We might say, everybody has two "I"s.  

[James123]

On 5/8/2026 at 8:57 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

To escape this HELL & Heaven  this same place.

One must die and know death this placeless place.

How does one die. One doesn’t, one awakens. 
 

Hello. 

What if, one dies through surrendering, and enlightenment or awakening becomes neither relevant nor irrelevant?

And that what enlightenment is?

Even freedom from any word, any description?

[Mellowmarsh]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

What if, one dies through surrendering, and enlightenment or awakening becomes neither relevant nor irrelevant?

And that what enlightenment is?

Even freedom from any word, any description?

Yes, I agree with what you are saying, James.

I guess what I’m trying to say rather clumsily is … to awaken, for me, is the same as dying or surrendering to the irrational belief there is a separate ‘someone’ who suffers from their misguided conditioned beliefs believed.

Freedom from all such belief is likened to a death, which leaves a sense of pure clarity in it’s wake.
There’s this spontaneous recognition that even death is just another belief…and so that’s what I personally call the awakening…and yet, even the idea of an ‘awakening’ is still just part of the same belief system.

 But I’m not suggesting throwing out the baby with the bathwater, it’s not that ego is being denied it’s birthright position. 
Humans still need to function on a  human level which they have been doing since the birth of their avatar. 

The avatar is simply  recognised for what it is not, rather than what it is, as believed in this conception.

 

Just more pointless word salad I know, but yeah, I’m on the same page as you on this one, James.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[James123]

38 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I agree with what you are saying, James.

I guess what I’m trying to say rather clumsily is … to awaken, for me, is the same as dying or surrendering to the irrational belief there is a separate ‘someone’ who suffers from their misguided conditioned beliefs believed.

Freedom from all such belief is likened to a death, which leaves a sense of pure clarity in it’s wake.
There’s this spontaneous recognition that even death is just another belief…and so that’s what I personally call the awakening…and yet, even the idea of an ‘awakening’ is still just part of the same belief system.

 But I’m not suggesting throwing out the baby with the bathwater, it’s not that ego is being denied it’s birthright position. 
Humans still need to function on a  human level which they have been doing since the birth of their avatar. 

The avatar is simply  recognised for what it is not, rather than what it is, as believed in this conception.

 

Just more pointless word salad I know, but yeah, I’m on the same page as you on this one, James.

 

 

The practice of, being witness of thoughts in Hindu traditions or surrendering in Muslim or christian traditions are actually identical.

Which means is not stop functioning or throwing out to baby with bathwater, it is actually deeply understanding that body / mind already functions by itself.

Therefore, assumption of, I am control of the body is, just in thinking. Deeply in thinking, including body / mind functions belongs to me. 

Not being attached to thinking is not stop functioning the body / mind, actually understanding that body / mind was/is never under control. And me is just is within thinking or attachment to thinking. And even thinking is belongs to the body and mind. 

So entire story lies within thinking, and when it is released or not being attached, story doesn't end, actually word of story disseappears, including word of disseparing.

There is no word to describe, because, even a sound to describe is attachment itself.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

41 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I agree with what you are saying, James.

I guess what I’m trying to say rather clumsily is … to awaken, for me, is the same as dying or surrendering to the irrational belief there is a separate ‘someone’ who suffers from their misguided conditioned beliefs believed.

Freedom from all such belief is likened to a death, which leaves a sense of pure clarity in it’s wake.
There’s this spontaneous recognition that even death is just another belief…and so that’s what I personally call the awakening…and yet, even the idea of an ‘awakening’ is still just part of the same belief system.

 But I’m not suggesting throwing out the baby with the bathwater, it’s not that ego is being denied it’s birthright position. 
Humans still need to function on a  human level which they have been doing since the birth of their avatar. 

The avatar is simply  recognised for what it is not, rather than what it is, as believed in this conception.

 

Just more pointless word salad I know, but yeah, I’m on the same page as you on this one, James.

 

 

The practice of, being witness of thoughts in Hindu traditions or surrendering in Muslim or christian traditions are actually identical.

Which means is not stop functioning or throwing out to baby with bathwater, it is actually deeply understanding that body / mind already functions by itself.

Therefore, assumption of, I am control of the body is, just in thinking. Deeply in thinking, including body / mind functions belongs to me. 

 

The physical and the spiritual are two different aspects of human experience, and they’re not in opposition.
 

The human experience is to claim the body as my body. But the human mind can understand its own opposition that understands it is nobody’s body, that’s right, J

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The physical and the spiritual are two different aspects of human experience, and they’re not in opposition.
 

The human experience is to claim the body as my body. But the human mind can understand its own opposition that understands it is nobody’s body, that’s right, J

Mind and body is like arm and leg.

You are always what you are, only, universe takes place within that. That's all.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Mind and body is like arm and leg.

You are always what you are, only, universe takes place within that. That's all.

Yes, I really do understand that mind and body is within the you what you always are.

Mind and bodies come together and fall apart. But not you. 

 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I really do understand that mind and body is within the you what you always are.

Mind and bodies come together and fall apart. But not you. 

 

Absolutely.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, James123 said:

Absolutely.

💯 🫵

[Mellowmarsh]

“ I am not my thoughts.
I am not other people’s thoughts about me.
I am not the thoughts that I think people think of me.
I am not the thoughts I think that I’m a lesser or lower status than some other person.
Or even that I’m a higher or higher status than some other person.

Present in the hear and now,
Present without patterns,
Present without perception.
I am all patterns, I am all perception.
I am no pattern,
I am no perception. “