Justice

[SSSanity]

Beauty is God. Makes sense yeah. Goodness is God. Yeah makes sense. Truth is God. Yeah man absolutely yeah no doubt. No faith needed there really, no mental gymnastics. All unknowable but we can and should orient out lives around it as we should around God as they are God.

Justice is God. Alright I'll take my word for it but what does that actually mean? I doubt it's that good feeling you get seeing someone you don't like being "punished". Feels quite relative.

[Ziran]

3 hours ago, SSSanity said:

Justice is God. Alright I'll take my word for it but what does that actually mean? I

Good question.

Justice is a physical manifestation of the energetic principle: "restraining".  It exists at the extreme end of a continuum in contradistinction with Love which is a physical manifestation of the energetic principle "out-reaching".

The energetic principle "above", in general:  Restraining <<>> Out-Reaching
The physical manifestation "below", in particular:  Strict-Justice <<>> Pure-Love

Edited April 22 by Ziran

[gettoefl]

What's just is

is justice.

God loves what he made.

[SSSanity]

20 hours ago, Ziran said:

Good question.

Justice is a physical manifestation of the energetic principle: "restraining".  It exists at the extreme end of a continuum in contradistinction with Love which is a physical manifestation of the energetic principle "out-reaching".

The energetic principle "above", in general:  Restraining <<>> Out-Reaching
The physical manifestation "below", in particular:  Strict-Justice <<>> Pure-Love

Thanks for the replies! That's a very interesting view, where Justice, or the principle which manifests as justice, is that of restraint such that, for example, actions are just.

I imagine that same "above" principle manifests otherwise as well for example, something must expressed actively to be beautiful or loving as well as there being a restraint in the antisymmetric or hateful. Rather than a reactive denial, it is co-arising in the manifestation.

I mean not to put words in your mouth, pardon me if I misunderstood. Does this outreaching refer to the free or active and expression/reaching itself as opposed to the reserved and restrained expansion, or to that which reaches out as opposed to that which restrains?

13 hours ago, gettoefl said:

What's just is

is justice.

God loves what he made.

How intricate becoming is

Ten thousand stories and desires

Do leap above and see the sun

Yet whenceforth do they take their plunge

Those just to justice surface, lo

The loving too to love

To see the air they sought to feel

The same flows through our lungs

Their rooted depths that share they

As such we come from too

Barbeque sauce on my titties

Edited April 23 by SSSanity

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, SSSanity said:

I mean not to put words in your mouth, pardon me if I misunderstood. Does this outreaching refer to the free or active and expression/reaching itself as opposed to the reserved and restrained expansion, or to that which reaches out as opposed to that which restrains?

It's OK, you're doing fine.  Go back to the co-arising.  Both the expanding and contracting are happening simultaneously.  They are concurrent, and omnipresent.  They're superimposed on each other like tissue paper, or like the aroma of flowers in a bouquet.

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, SSSanity said:

Justice, or the principle which manifests as justice, is that of restraint such that, for example, actions are just.

Suppose that a child grows up and becomes a rapist.  Their father, strict-justice, excommunicates and disowns them.  Their mother, pure-love, gives them safe harbor, and hides them in the basement from the authorities.  In this example, the father, strict-justice, is restraining their natural inclination towards their child. At the same time, their mother, pure-love, is reaching out with both arms. 

[SSSanity]

Thanks for the analogies Ziran. Speaking of ziran, I've got a bit of a samsara mind teaser for you,

If ultimate love and ultimate justice are the same, as our astute friend gettoefl points out, "what's just is",

If the ten thousand things arise simultaneously, 萬物並作(daodejing 16) and all that lovely stuff, the just to justice, the loving to love surfacing in this moment,

And as such by the hands of Justice and Love are our moments crafted, and to the Just and Loving shall return,

As such, does that ineffable principle permeate all happenings 道/dao regardless of our action, counteraction,  actionless paticipation 無為/wu wei - actions flowing naturally through our plans, minds, bodies without meddling 自然/ziran (roll credits)

What would you do if that was your child?

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, SSSanity said:

What would you do if that was your child?

It depends on my spouse.  For example, if she is adopting the role of pure-love, then, I would adopt the role of strict-justice.    

Otoh, if I am the solitary arbiter, I would adopt the role of mercy:  strict justice >>> inclining towards >>> love.