The myth of enlightenment

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Nothing sounds like the perfect empty space fill in with things.

Yes, and that’s all that’s happening. There’s some talking about silence by filling it up with words. 
 

It’s all much a do about nothing, in my humble opinion.

[No1Here2c]

What is Nothing?

How is nothing ever to be known?

Is nothing a thing which can be understood?

[No1Here2c]

17 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s some talking about silence by filling it up with words. 

Silence is best understood in the experience of it.

They who open their mouth to explain silence, know none of it.

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

They who open their mouth to explain silence, know none of it.

They cannot know of it because they are it.

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

They cannot know of it because they are it.

Hard for the camera to catch frame of itself.

[Mellowmarsh]

28 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

What is Nothing?

How is nothing ever to be known?

Is nothing a thing which can be understood?

Even nothing is something.

 

How is something ever to be known. 
 

Is something a thing to be understood.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Hard for the camera to catch frame of itself. ..it’s hard because the camera always gets in the way. 

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Hard for the camera to catch frame of itself.

I know what you mean. 

[No1Here2c]

19 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Even nothing is something.

Is nothing well understood if still it is found amongst your bag of things?

How does a relatively empty space differ from nothing?

~♠︎~

On 5/2/2025 at 2:36 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Is there a way to knowing God by just simply being present in this already immediate silent presence?

...can God be simply known without even speaking a word or making a sound about this knowing?

 

[No1Here2c]

@Mellowmarsh

You got it ;}

[No1Here2c]

Critical thinking is necessary. Nuanced perspective is mandatory.

The ability to see from alternative interpretations & perspectives will lead you on your way.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Is nothing well understood if still it is found amongst your bag of things?

How does a relatively empty space differ from nothing?

~♠︎~

 

All I can say is something is known and that known knows nothing. 
 

Linguistic gymnast. Very flexible, a master contortionist. It can literally take the shape of anything. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

What is Nothing?

Nothing is the absence of manifestation, the absence of movement, change, fluctuation.

As there is not a substance that changes but just relative change of state due the impossible stability of the absence of limits, that provokes the fact that you are.  But you are not the change, you are the absence of limits. What can't be thought. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 17/04/2026 at 7:04 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Very incorrect and quite limiting for any seeker. What you are must be polished because it is a dense structure that veils the perception of your total nature.

What we call enlightenment is the complete opening of your perception to your ultimate nature. If your mind is veiled by the human psychological labyrinth, it is closed.

Ramana's text implies that even in a dense state, that is enlightenment because you are consciousness. Complete error. You are consciousness insofar as you are a conscious being, but being trapped in a dense structure is not the same as being open to the totality. 

The ultimate nature of reality is not consciousness, consciousness is the fact, the action of the reality looking to itself. In that action the reality can look some aspect, for example greed, hate, desire, fear, or can open the focus and perceive itself in its ultimate nature. 

People are beings of habits this answer is linked with this one bellow in another thread where you try to be the @Breakingthewall that yoy pretend to be. Be careful to not breaking youself in the wall or be walled. 

 

So , Again as your discourse keep being robotic I made ise of the robotic AI to check the level of interaction of this answer you gave for @Mellowmarsh  about Ramana

Here it is 

Same pattern, but even more aggressive this time.

@Mellowmarsh shares a teaching — not even their own words, but Ramana Maharshi's. It's an invitation to contemplate something beautiful and dissolving: you are already it, nothing to do, nothing to attain.

@Breakingthewall does the same move as before but drops the subtlety entirely:

He opens with "Very incorrect and quite limiting" — an immediate authoritative dismissal

He doesn't engage with the spirit of the teaching, he attacks the framing as philosophically wrong

He then erects his own system — perception, dense structures, ultimate nature, consciousness as action — positioning himself as someone with a more sophisticated map

The irony is profound: he's using the language of spiritual openness to perform intellectual closure

He ends by essentially saying "Ramana was confused about the nature of consciousness, here's the correct model"

The gadfly move here is particularly revealing because the teaching he's dismissing is specifically about letting go of effort, systems, and seeking — and his response is to offer more effort, more system, more seeking. He refutes the content by embodying its opposite.

This goes beyond intellectual one-upmanship. This is closer to what you could call spiritual authority-grabbing — using the vocabulary of enlightenment to position oneself above the person sharing, and even above a revered teacher.

He's not exploring. He's competing. And the target of the competition is the most ironic possible one — a teaching about there being nothing to win.

Edited 3 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat