Trans- Univeꝝ

[kavaris]

I noticed there was alot of "trans-" interest and/or related posts, and as i have a few gay friends, it got me thinkin bout something i jus recently learned about Uranian (a sexuality term)

The term Uranian   being  a 19th-century word refers to men who are attracted to other men.
from classical Greek ideas about love—specifically Aphrodite~Urania, a heavenly form of love that ancient writers assoc. w/ love~between males

Its sortve like tattoos and stuff like this that go through phases (going back to ancient Dacians and/or the tattoo gingerbread Grandmother's of Bosnia/Croatia, etc)  where ppl today are tryina come from it like its this new thing / area of reality, but these are just phases of Mother Nature and its creatures, circling on the same set of ingredients, especially if you look at how Ulrich is circling back to mythology, and how he frames these things.

The last hundred years have heavily suppressed all of these ancient ideas; however when it comes to the Uranians, these were just people standing up for their sexuality in the 1800s ~ and was Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, a German, was very much outspoken in regards to

He published essays, multiple, under his own name~arguing that men attracted to men was a natural variation of human beings, not criminals or sinners, and of course in 1860~the pinnacle of like, suppressing everything, it was seen as radical.

In 1867 @ the German Jurists' Conference 1867 in Munich,  he stood up and tried to argue publicly for the decriminalization of homosexuality (note, long story short, he was shouted down before he could finish). But the point is, he was one of the first people to openly argue that homosexuality was natural. He sometimes described gay men as having a "female psyche in a male body" ~ Alas that was a common way to think of it~Or atleast by Ulrichs time it began to ~

He coined terms like: Urning (German)  = Uranian ... Opposite is Dioning  which is "men attracted to women" (though i dont think it means ordinary typical "straightmen", as hes getting his term from Dionysus, and Dionysus is not a normal character to use, to describe such a thing, so there must be more to it)

inb4, later on  writers like John Addington Symonds and Oscar Wilde used Uranian to talk about male same-sex love in a more idealized or noble way. There was even a small literary movement called "Uranian poetry"

And so, In todays day n age, Uranians (as a word) isnt even really known about. Its not some strange modern category—And this gets to the conclusion here, which is Ulrich, and how he he built a whole universe of descriptions and ideas~of what kind of person Uranian was describing~through a mix of early psychology and classical myth. And if yous wanna get into some old history of "trans" thats a good place to start to build up to  Hirschfeld (the classic "transvestite"), David Cauldwell, et caetera (note, those terms we use today around trans- are from the 50s or 60s or around there, though Ulrich was one of the first to really argue that same-sex attraction was inborn and not criminal... And going to Ancient times you have Hermaphroditus, the child of Hermes and Aphrodite, merging male and female, etc)

Anyway there was quite a few trans' threads, so i felt  it was incumbent upon me to get involved in some way, to some degree, so yous might start to see what/where the preceding terms in this category are coming from ~

p.s. ꝝ → is an abbreviation used for -rum (but i use a similar symbol for capital letter "P", though its more like /ꝝP/ visually)

Edited March 26 by kavaris

[kavaris]

@everyone p.s. yous can use this thread to talk about (\*things from your own perspective and opinion) on any thing on man on man love, woman on woman love, or how a person feels inside, if they feel feminine or masculine, et caetera, but be careful cause iuno wat yous did ~ but yous got the thread on trans stuff \*closed, and i wasnt there to see what it was about, so im jus saying, jus' try to speak on things that are somewhat sensible or intellectual and things like this.

Edited March 26 by kavaris

[Jowblob]

When my kundalini awakened, i really got a beating by this energy for watchin gay porn when i wasn't gay. It showed me so much, and it was traumatizing for me dealing with the consequences of my actions.

GOD created WOMAN and MAN , simple as that. The more you indentify or deviate from Man/Woman relationship the further you're away from God, or atleast in the illusory seperation. What happends if the "ego's" engage in man/man or female/female relationship? Is further lowering in consciousness or "confusion" , because you're deviating further away from gods creation and how "he" designed it to be.

It doesn't ofcourse mean that transgenders/gays will be punished by God, they will simply punish themselves because the higher consciousness only carries truth and purity. Most of them ofcourse will never experience kundalini in their life but will simply be reborn again and cleansed of their actions.

[kavaris]

@Jowblob Thats interesting. Hey, thats the first time i heard that experience, though i could imagine it of course, as im comin from a perspective of not bein gay, but im sure gay men are the opposite, cause their kundalini goes up thinkin bout cute guys

I was actually thinking of a something, in regards to the perspective of those of the Middle East. Like i think somewhere, theres a city/state or regions of the Middle East or India, or like a Gay Tropical island, where all the Gay Middle Easterners go to be freely gay or tran and such, as I could imagine that that the strictest countries of the middle east probably dont take well to gay guys or girls.

What are the vehicles called in the M.Est, that are like those tiny carriages? took-tooks? Everytime i see a video of one of those coach drivers that sell the took-took rides, i feel like all of them  are def the gay indians that are tryina find other gay men via driving around on the took-tooks , but maybe thats just me.

I feel like it was Constantine I, or one of these early emporers in early AD, where they saw the people still into the gay orgies and such, worshipping Greek or Roman Gods and they put there foot down and started banishing ppl, nd hanging anyone that was caught at the gay and trans orgies.

If you look at the Roman art, they got quite a few ancient roman art w/ some gay loving going on, that somehow survived. You know, theres not a fragment of ancient hebrew, but gay roman art survives i guess.

Edited March 27 by kavaris

[kavaris]

"Gay Egyptian King, Here to bring you love light and peace, prefacing w/ the Egyptian Song, *Bring Love to the World, and..."

Then we learn about "Ankh" from the Egyptian King, The Gay Egyptian Prince/Pharaoh, Ra Sém Bah, which is only the beginning

for anyone gay or trans, hes got some interesting insights for you, if you click on *videos, and search by "oldest" videos first, and then scroll down, theres alot of material there for you, one specifically on *trans -

im not even gay and i wana attend his Golden Beetle Temple!

oh, and another curious thing bout lots of ancient, kemetic and hermetic, and african or greek stuff is like, *Why is there so many snakes? right? Like if you go back and read/listen to Dioscorides, every other sentence is talking about how to prevent or cure ailments ~ attributed to snake or serpent bites. Back in the day, you were brushing up against these little brushes where snakes use to~And still do live, tho weve cut down or isolated alot of woods and forests, so now its made alot clearer where the snakes should be at, And back then you got bit by a snake and died. People were smaller back in the day, so even small snakes were prolly dangerous. But anyway, the Eucharist back in the day (Kykeon) which was the same thing i believe, was a drink made from this snake venom to build immunity to~what would be future encounters, however only certain people were strong enough, so they had to ejaculate nd wat not, and create distilled forms of the immunity, through fluids that they had the most of, semen presumably being a go to for transfering to others...

If they had datura in mainland Greece, they mighta been using that one Datura species for the Eleusian ceremonies~i forget its name~i mean theres 3 diff ones of Datura related to psychedelic Datura, but i use to know which was which ...

Oh and these terms, Εὐχαριστία  and  κυκεών  are related in the sense that, you would use them in the same context, or in related ones, as  ευ - χαρις (karis) means "giving thanks"~gratitude or favor, and κυκαω (kykao) just means "to stir + mix", so you would be using these terms, or their derivatives, together to talk about "giving the ποτόν (poton) or potion" which is what "kykeon" means. Its a brew or potion (πόμα, poma and poton are more neutral, like "a drink")

*p.s. "Christ" and pharmakon are different, but related to this context, but lets not get into that (too many words in Greek)

Edited Friday at 09:07 PM by kavaris

[kavaris]

@everybody

Q: If we break into a topic 'round magick and/or occult that also is directly related to Science and the use of plant and animal medicine, flora and fauna pharmakai, should that go here or in the Spiritual, Esoteric, And Whatever Else Section?

Its something for everyone to think on, assuming its a perfect 50 50 split and that its like, which toss of the coin road does it work in~i would say here, but its also like, mystical/metaphysical and Spiritual

In some sense it works best in the spiritual section, cause it frees up this half for intellectual jargon, and introduces that section to a side of mysticism they might not have known before.

[kavaris]

Note, i just wanted to demonstrate how obvious and simple this line of inquiry is, that even ChatGPT is lead to this discovery almost immediately without pushback~I will skip some of our questions to get to the point, but feel free to ask, and i will post the 1 or 2 questions i asked beforehand to get it to here~And whats really a fairly obvious conclusion...

ChatGPT says: The honest linguistic point you're pushing toward:
χρίω before it becomes religious terminology just means to smear, to rub, to spread a substance. It's used in completely mundane contexts in classical Greek — rubbing down athletes with oil, applying pigment, spreading wax. It's not inherently sacred at all.
So the question becomes — is there a meaning of χριστός that predates or sits outside the kingly/priestly consecration tradition?
Where I'd point you:
Look at how χρίω is used in non-religious Greek writers — Homer, Herodotus, the medical writers like Galen. There it's thoroughly physical and practical. The religious "anointing" meaning is arguably a narrowing of a broader word.

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@ everybody whos interested

Yous might not even care about this, but to me its important because, somewhere along the lines people stopped understanding history, and now we have stories that may potentially be way off... And its not the church's fault, as its not their job to do history24*7... Like the church technically isnt Thoth @The Halls of Amenti,as they are just like us regular ppl, losing information w/ each generation.

Anyway, if you have no idea wat im talking about, just ignore this. I jus thought someone out there would see how im just weaving very simple lines together to generate the results that are the most straightforward and direct, where the words themselves actually lead you; And not the weird movies and fake imagery from the 20th Century Fox News typeve thing~so to speak

*Note, for anyone who is confused, plz do feel free to ask me to send what my initial ques. were (one ques. that had two parts basically) as thatll illuminate the topic.

Edited 13 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part ii)

Ima try to explain the line of reasoning for yous in a different way anyway., granted it might be more confusing than my original ques. XD..

In other words, its a contradiction to think of *Christ~historically from the perspective of "anointing w/ oil for consecration" epithet (Jesis as a King for instance), given that the idea of Jesus being like a king is being applied after the *Christ title~Or rather you could say, Christ is a title he applied to himself, or his closest followers gave it to him, but not as a king (for the word anoint his applied to priests/kings), but as someone who is anointing others. So its not saying anything about *anoint/king, but the opposite really, cause hes the son of the *living Christ, and if anything he is serving the king, and consecrating that living Christ~for Christ , by way of smearing, spreading, applying some substance on others. And theres a few options here that he could be saying w/ Christ, e.g. "put out your tongue... let me give you the eucharist..." All the way to "Let me cover your entire body in the eucharist" to "Let us take the eucharist..." to... "If you dont take this, you will literally die, so have faith in me". The point being, hes not the king of anything, but hes certainly rubbing or smearing; And because people later say "look how important he was To his followers, Christ must be implying sonethin like,  *hes a king", wherein the actual reason that they have that word "Christ" in the first place is scrambled lost to time... That word doesnt just drop out of the air... Jesus & his band of misfits are using that term and giving theirselves nicknames (p.s. lets not even bring up "Petra", as thats another long story, but im jus showing you that it isnt a falsehood to know that Jesus is well-known for naming people and places)

p.s. we've turned the original Greek forms of the word *christ into a starch epithet that sounds like his true name, but that word is just the result of a millenium of confusion, erasing the fact that the "chr-" doesnt end @ "-ie'st"... In Greek, that root becomes a *stem, and a subsequent flower of possible terms related to the root form; In English, all of our words are deliberate distinctions, so we dont have a treasure trove of words that sound like "chrie", so you cant blame anyone for thinking that that word sounds independent now. And not to make it even more confusing, but the "-st" ("str") part of the name is another Old Greek root/stem = meaning "to spread, apply or extend to", that which gets used in important ways~and it just so happens to occur in this word meaning "to spread on"

Edited 3 hours ago by kavaris