Talk On Stages Of Middle East

[Mayonnaise]

How long do you guys think it will take for the middle east to move from Red/Blue (and some purple) , into Orange?

The propagation of Blue's religious dogma and the fear/lack of resources causing Red due to war, etc. and Blue's dogma will of course need to cease control

I wonder if its possible in the next 50 years...

I guess you could consider UAE/Dubai as toxic orange, except its cloaked in Blue and backed by dogma in the government/dictatorship there

But I'm really referring to Iran, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. 

Many parts of Africa as well, which is very red/purple, but for the sake of this post we can mostly discuss the Blue/red/purple side of the middle east countries.

Seems its just been in a giant feedback loop of blue dominating and creating groups of red/purple due to the conformity because of fear and violence and need to control, lack of resources . People justifying "God's will" to selfishly act out their need to dominate and cherry pick whatever serves their survival the most. 

Since everything over there is about land, oil, and religious conformity. I wonder what its going to take for not just most of the population, but also the governments of these countries to reach higher developmental stages. 

We are all aware of the up rising in Iran thats pushed back against red/blue, ending in much violence. But I'm wondering about the government in control, not just the population. When are the people/regime in control there going to cease their blue/red ways and ascend? 

And as for Israel, same thing. I'd say 80-90% blue, 10-20% orange there. Zionism isn't helping, we all know that. 

So as for the clashes against islam/zionism and all the subsets of these big religions, whats it gonna take for people to realize their self deception and take off the lens of conformity? How developed does it need to get?

When can/will the governments subside their need to project their views onto the other? when will they subside their need for more land? 

Even in America, I cringe when I see religious people reveling in their blind conformity and self deception. Have any of these people even here in a predominantly toxic orange society even questioned their own mind? or is their identity just so intertwined with these man made beliefs that they are too scared for their mind to die? What's it going to take for people to wake up? Obviously here, there is no threat of death if you don't conform to religious ideals, just castigation from your posse/group/family.

We can also talk about America, or really anywhere in the world and their state of development, because thinking about all of them, not just the middle east can shed light on the contrasts amongst them all. 

We can also discuss the blind conformity echo chambers across social media of developmental stages. Which it appears as social media is predominately Orange, with blueish hive minds and specks of red throughout. (Red in this case being like fighting and whatnot). I really want to understand the psychology behind the minds of people that bash others for content, whether its our side/vs theirs, including news media. 

All ideas are welcome, this topic has been on my mind lately and I'd like to hear others views. Share whatever you feel.

 

[Stick]

israel is about 50 percent orange 30 percent blue and 20 percent others. Nethenyahu's right wing gov is wildly unpopular with about 27 percent support. Its just that other parties are even more unpopular that he is the PM.
As for the rest of the middle east, I think in about 20 years it will be majority orange.
You underestimate Muslims in assuming that it will take 50 years for them to move to orange.
The reason for so many radical muslims is cause of US and israel bombing of muslim land.
In fact, enlightned muslims like Rumi were wildly respected by the islamic culture in the past.
Add into that they will be sort of forced into orange to develop their economy, 20 years is definately feesable 

[Nivsch]

Its quite sad how easily labels like “Zionist” get used without real familiarity with the actual society behind it. That can become a slippery slope where they stop being seen as human beings like everyone else. Would you like it if I call the people in Western Europe Crusaders? I think the answer is no, so its better to not do it to others.

Edited yesterday at 09:42 AM by Nivsch

[Stick]

Netanyahu wants the world to see Israel as 'Zionist'. Because it will push the Israeli people together and make them more right wing. Israel could have been a beautiful save haven for Jews but the Rabbis and the conservatives wont let it be.
That is why religion is so dangerous, The government of Israel is not fighting for the rights of Israelis but for the greater Israel project
And the government of Iran is not fighting for their people they are fighting for Allah
When both sides think they are infallible, it will eventually result in the annihilation of one side.

[Nivsch]

22 minutes ago, Stick said:

Netanyahu wants the world to see Israel as 'Zionist'. Because it will push the Israeli people together and make them more right wing.

I think you are onto something here 👍🏻

[Elliott]

It would take the West getting to pretty solid orange first.

Edited yesterday at 01:33 PM by Elliott

[Infinity16]

Israel definitely has quite a bit of stage blue for a developed nation. Its fertility rate of 2.9 is still a bit above replacement ratio which is unusual for developed nations currently. My hypothesis is that as a country moves into stage orange, the fertility rate drops. This is because in stage orange, some people prefer focusing on their careers over starting a family. Stage orange is a super important stage because it basically marks the transition from a survival mindset to a self-expression one. Considering that Israel has more or less been in a constant state of war since its independence, it's not surprising that Israel has retained a survival mindset. There are also the very stage blue Orthodox Jews who have very high fertility rates.

Saudi Arabia seems to still be in stage blue with the chance of moving into orange a generation from now. It currently has a fertility rate of 2.28 children per woman which is higher than the US but lower than Israel. As evident by the temporary BeastLand and the various development projects, the king seems determined to make the country into a stage orange paradise. Ditto all of the gulf states. There is hardly a better place for a rich person in stage orange to live than Dubai, even if the government holds stage blue values.

Oman seems to be slightly behind SA and the gulf states on the spiral. The reason is because Oman has a fertility rate of 2.48. Furthermore, the monarch of Oman has been much more tame development-wise when compared to other countries on the arabian peninsula. Stage orange kills culture and it seems that Oman is intent on keeping its culture around for a little longer.

Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen are relatively low on the spiral. Purple and red values seem to be prevalent in those regions as such values lead to a dysfunctional nation-state. All three countries have relatively high fertility rates.

Syria has been through 15 years of civil war. What separates Syria from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen is that Syria has a somewhat lower fertility rate which is the same as Israel. Granted, Syria may experience a post war boom as Syrians return to their home country.

Iran has a fertility rate of just 1.7, the same as the US. This makes for an interesting contrast with a government that seems to hold stage blue ideology with stage red behavior.

[saif2]

On 3/23/2026 at 9:15 AM, Mayonnaise said:

How long do you guys think it will take for the middle east to move from Red/Blue (and some purple) , into Orange?

The propagation of Blue's religious dogma and the fear/lack of resources causing Red due to war, etc. and Blue's dogma will of course need to cease control

I wonder if its possible in the next 50 years...

I guess you could consider UAE/Dubai as toxic orange, except its cloaked in Blue and backed by dogma in the government/dictatorship there

But I'm really referring to Iran, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. 

Many parts of Africa as well, which is very red/purple, but for the sake of this post we can mostly discuss the Blue/red/purple side of the middle east countries.

Seems its just been in a giant feedback loop of blue dominating and creating groups of red/purple due to the conformity because of fear and violence and need to control, lack of resources . People justifying "God's will" to selfishly act out their need to dominate and cherry pick whatever serves their survival the most. 

Since everything over there is about land, oil, and religious conformity. I wonder what its going to take for not just most of the population, but also the governments of these countries to reach higher developmental stages. 

We are all aware of the up rising in Iran thats pushed back against red/blue, ending in much violence. But I'm wondering about the government in control, not just the population. When are the people/regime in control there going to cease their blue/red ways and ascend? 

And as for Israel, same thing. I'd say 80-90% blue, 10-20% orange there. Zionism isn't helping, we all know that. 

So as for the clashes against islam/zionism and all the subsets of these big religions, whats it gonna take for people to realize their self deception and take off the lens of conformity? How developed does it need to get?

When can/will the governments subside their need to project their views onto the other? when will they subside their need for more land? 

Even in America, I cringe when I see religious people reveling in their blind conformity and self deception. Have any of these people even here in a predominantly toxic orange society even questioned their own mind? or is their identity just so intertwined with these man made beliefs that they are too scared for their mind to die? What's it going to take for people to wake up? Obviously here, there is no threat of death if you don't conform to religious ideals, just castigation from your posse/group/family.

We can also talk about America, or really anywhere in the world and their state of development, because thinking about all of them, not just the middle east can shed light on the contrasts amongst them all. 

We can also discuss the blind conformity echo chambers across social media of developmental stages. Which it appears as social media is predominately Orange, with blueish hive minds and specks of red throughout. (Red in this case being like fighting and whatnot). I really want to understand the psychology behind the minds of people that bash others for content, whether its our side/vs theirs, including news media. 

All ideas are welcome, this topic has been on my mind lately and I'd like to hear others views. Share whatever you feel.

 

Ok funny Enough I came to post about this before I even saw your post.

So I live in Jordan which is predominantly blue, but it has also a very strong purple subsystem interested in safety and security, preserving the status quo. So my main idea is that for instance in Jordan in order for the purple subsystem to emerge into red in a Healthy way, there needs to be an orange structure for instance "normalization with Israel" and in that way the blue system will emerge naturally into orange in the society. but now if the purple subsystem emerged into red, by that i mean the abandoning of safety and security for the sake of risk and aiming to the moon (Palestinian cause), there will be only a doubling down on blue which will only cause wars between Jordan and Israel. I think after October 7th, the red subsystem in Israel became so unhealthy and they doubled down on blue, causing genocides and shit like that.

So is there a way for purple in Jordan to emerge into red and blue into orange while not doubling down into blue. I cannot think of such an idea at the moment.