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Talk On Stages Of Middle East

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How long do you guys think it will take for the middle east to move from Red/Blue (and some purple) , into Orange?

The propagation of Blue's religious dogma and the fear/lack of resources causing Red due to war, etc. and Blue's dogma will of course need to cease control

I wonder if its possible in the next 50 years...

I guess you could consider UAE/Dubai as toxic orange, except its cloaked in Blue and backed by dogma in the government/dictatorship there

But I'm really referring to Iran, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. 

Many parts of Africa as well, which is very red/purple, but for the sake of this post we can mostly discuss the Blue/red/purple side of the middle east countries.

Seems its just been in a giant feedback loop of blue dominating and creating groups of red/purple due to the conformity because of fear and violence and need to control, lack of resources . People justifying "God's will" to selfishly act out their need to dominate and cherry pick whatever serves their survival the most. 

Since everything over there is about land, oil, and religious conformity. I wonder what its going to take for not just most of the population, but also the governments of these countries to reach higher developmental stages. 

We are all aware of the up rising in Iran thats pushed back against red/blue, ending in much violence. But I'm wondering about the government in control, not just the population. When are the people/regime in control there going to cease their blue/red ways and ascend? 

And as for Israel, same thing. I'd say 80-90% blue, 10-20% orange there. Zionism isn't helping, we all know that. 

So as for the clashes against islam/zionism and all the subsets of these big religions, whats it gonna take for people to realize their self deception and take off the lens of conformity? How developed does it need to get?

When can/will the governments subside their need to project their views onto the other? when will they subside their need for more land? 

Even in America, I cringe when I see religious people reveling in their blind conformity and self deception. Have any of these people even here in a predominantly toxic orange society even questioned their own mind? or is their identity just so intertwined with these man made beliefs that they are too scared for their mind to die? What's it going to take for people to wake up? Obviously here, there is no threat of death if you don't conform to religious ideals, just castigation from your posse/group/family.

We can also talk about America, or really anywhere in the world and their state of development, because thinking about all of them, not just the middle east can shed light on the contrasts amongst them all. 

We can also discuss the blind conformity echo chambers across social media of developmental stages. Which it appears as social media is predominately Orange, with blueish hive minds and specks of red throughout. (Red in this case being like fighting and whatnot). I really want to understand the psychology behind the minds of people that bash others for content, whether its our side/vs theirs, including news media. 

All ideas are welcome, this topic has been on my mind lately and I'd like to hear others views. Share whatever you feel.

 

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israel is about 50 percent orange 30 percent blue and 20 percent others. Nethenyahu's right wing gov is wildly unpopular with about 27 percent support. Its just that other parties are even more unpopular that he is the PM.
As for the rest of the middle east, I think in about 20 years it will be majority orange.
You underestimate Muslims in assuming that it will take 50 years for them to move to orange.
The reason for so many radical muslims is cause of US and israel bombing of muslim land.
In fact, enlightned muslims like Rumi were wildly respected by the islamic culture in the past.
Add into that they will be sort of forced into orange to develop their economy, 20 years is definately feesable 

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Its quite sad how easily labels like “Zionist” get used without real familiarity with the actual society behind it. That can become a slippery slope where they stop being seen as human beings like everyone else. Would you like it if I call the people in Western Europe Crusaders? I think the answer is no, so its better to not do it to others.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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