History of Flaviius

[kavaris]

If anyone is to do research on history and that critical year between the 1 BCE and 1st Century AD, youll likely come across Flavius Josephus. Hes got a very long, long story, and it has nothin to do w/ Jesus. I say that cause Jesus's name comes up next to his, though this is one of those things happening slightly offset from the crucifixions of the same vague years~give or take, and i think this story has alot more moving pieces, Alas you could write several TV shows just on the life and experiences of this guy, see for yourselves 

When we finally get to the point, an hour or so in, we see Josephus reflecting, right in the mid., of writing The Jewish War in Aramaic, intended for Jewish communities, and a Greek vers., shaped w/ Roman/Flavian audiences in mind; Tho only the Greek vers., survives.

Then there's Book 20, Chapter 9, Section 1:  Josephus describes the death of the high priest "Festus", and the power vacuum before his replacement "Albinus" arrived. The high priest Ananus (Annas II) took advantage of this gap in Roman oversight to convene a San'hedrin, and execute people he wanted gone. Josephus writes that Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin: "the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned"

This execution of James (who we call the brother of "Jesus") is 62 AD by the deduction/offset ~ per the Josephus perspective, and this is corroborated by other sources like Eusebius and Hegesippus. Though im sure even this is debated, cause what isnt debated these days. So he's writing about events that happened roughly 30 years prior to himself. He himself would have been around 25–26 years old when James, the brother was executed.

Josephus (age ~25-26) when James was executed in 62 AD, so then working backwards, Josephus would be born around 37 AD. But it doesnt tell us about the time from Jesus TO James, atleast if you're going solely from Josephus. Also, this is the same~w/ regards to what we learn from those later figures, Eusebius and Hegesippus, who say James, brother of Jesus was executed in 62 AD. We can then bring in Pontius Pilate's governorship (26–36 AD). Taking it at face value, the execution falls somewhere within 26–36 AD—although we still dont know bout Jesus—tradition thus far tells us theres a 29-32 year gap between the James and Jesus execution.

Edited March 16 by kavaris

[kavaris]

And if any of yas like murder, death and assassination, this is a good time to mention, this is literally the age of murder, death and assassination ~ As anyone following the Apostles are being murdered, and likewise, anyone who wasnt Christian was ALSO being assassinated/murdered, at the exact same time. Literally, the age before Constantine I is called "The Age of Martyrs"; See also "Christian apologetics"

But the point to what I was tryina say is like, the history you dont normally learn about is the typeve assassins creed going on here, and just like, how many people are dying and dead because of it ~ The Age of Martys is also the age of Assassins Creed (NOTE: Assassins Creed I ive never played, but im pretty sure they didnt base it on this time period, but rather, a later time period heavily influenced on such things. I played the second one, like too long ago to even remember anything besides the Tuscany hills in the background)

Edited March 16 by kavaris

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Didn't know about this guy in particuliar but yeah, he's definitely interesting to say the least. Romans had to allocate a lot of men and resources to put down that first rebelion mere 3 decades after Jesus's crucifixion, relative to the size and importance of that province which weren't all that great. Then 2 more rebelions after that. Granted, these people weren't some unorganized northern fools Romans were used to fighting before

[kavaris]

On 3/16/2026 at 4:18 PM, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Didn't know about this guy in particuliar but yeah, he's definitely interesting to say the least. Romans had to allocate a lot of men and resources to put down that first rebelion mere 3 decades after Jesus's crucifixion, relative to the size and importance of that province which weren't all that great. Then 2 more rebelions after that. Granted, these people weren't some unorganized northern fools Romans were used to fighting before

Yes. ha. Exactly. Also, Hey, im glad i could introduce you to someone new as well. He... Oh heres a video that brings up Josephus in the beginning, as i have recently just did a writing on laws, traditions, beliefs, and the Last Jewish Heritage, &into Roman ppl/beliefs

Josephus is considered a really great ref., or window into tribes in and around Israel; I of course had focused on their heritage, traditions & beliefs (theres over 30 tribes in that area) And i bring this up to build upon the notion of them \*being much more organized then others might not know or realize at first sight...

This writing ive been doing on Philosophy and similar things within the Greek world ~ It starts to blend into the Ancient Israel tribes and beliefs around nature and civilization, mirroring the same rules/laws and such that they reiterated (im of course speaking to, "on nature" beliefs, or "words to live by" for your people, like "how your people should live") Those types of things. They are almost identical, atleast at the time in Greece and the area in and around Israel.

Im still watching the video, so i dont know if he gets into such things (but i assume he does), where as the writing i was doing was to show the parallels between Greek Philosophy (of Plato, The Stoics, et caetera) and the last Ancient Jewish traditions/philosophy~Of course, the Jewish people would have said it using their own words for it (unless they had gone to school in Greece or something), but what we often have to do, is to use known words like "democracy" that are originally from Greek, and we use that to draw parallels to ideas like that of Jews, though, they of course wouldve used their own words & terms for such things and ideas.

(Greeks did take over at points in history, but thats a diff topic of course). Anyway, the video seems to add/expand on some interesting details, which are interesting.

note, just to give you an idea of how many tribes there are, there's the following tribes (attempting to go in order from oldest, like a thousand BC to newest, 2nd CE), like the tribe of reuben, tribe of Levi, Dan, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Naphtali, Machir, Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Therapeutae, Zealots, Sicarii, Herodians, Samaritans, Nazarenes, Elcasaites, Marcionites, Valentinians, Sethians, Mandaeans, Ha-Derekh, Cerinthians, Carpocratians (iuno why, i feel like theres more listed in the bible and the torah)

Granted you might be more interested in the Roman/German side of things in Europe (or the Mystical Theology/Hermeticism side of things), though i meant to hint at the interesting stuff going on in the middle east at-the-time / parallel to this stuff

 

Edited March 20 by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part ii) heres another good one. Back when these Jewish traditions were forming into what eventually takes shape into christianity canon, you had all these different ideas for what was meant by "Jesus" & "The Christ"... And "God"... Are they the same person? Are they all God? et caetera...

So this is just two that are similar, but theres literally like twenty of these groups and questions regarding this same topic: Cause on one hand you had Arianism, which yous can check out ^... You also had Cerinthianism (who were called Cerinthians, cause it was based on Cerinthius, ~late 1st century AD ...)

Ill let yous like up those two, cause they are both quite different. They do not just blindly accept "Jesus, God... the holy spirit.." Like, to them, making the distinction of what constitutes these things is critical! And rightly so, you know, like these ppl are super smart, intuitive... They were thinkin bout this stuff, religiously, literally, right? i mean, their whole worldview depending on it~And whats interesting is that, they are in~in some sense~taking direct control, or attempting to, in to what would be the "traditions to come" for Rome, and the world, as i see the Romans and these early Jewish sects as being on the heel of a somewhat traditionless side of our history, very much like modern America~Granted we had years of Christianity, but its like, Today you can believe in anything. Like you arent limited to anything, hence, traditionless children; Identical to Early Roman Empires.

*p.s. i chose two beliefs/figures that are somewhat similar in challenging the whole structure to get yous thinking, as its actually sortve tough to work out what each of them are about, given that, on the surface they have things in common. Theres so many figures that are present during the first 300 years or so of this like, early debate on what the *seed of the aspects to christianity are, and that seed of heresy has so many fkin figures, its like, thats a deep rabbit hole yous can go down (its almost neverending figures~one could pull up, like... iuno where they keep coming from; Same w/ Greece, but theres like 100,000x figures~which is part of the story of the Roman Emp.)

p.s.s. also this is sortve random, but (Ce)rinthians, (Co)rinthia, and (Ca)rinthia, are all different things, the last two being a places, Co- in Greece, Ca- in Austria. Theres also Corinthians from the bible~Which is itself Paul's letters, written to the Christian community he founded in the city of Corinth-, Greece.

Edited Saturday at 04:40 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

(cont.)  The only thing i worry bout is, like say we are All in an *End of the world scenario, and we are on an island w/ foreign belief systems, like a grab bag of judainism, islamic ppl, like christian and or related, etc, etc, and suppose theres a life or death situation, And everything stems on the fact that iuno. Say for instance we need them to go out and kill a Sacred cow (to me, i could see how cows & cattle are sacred,  u kno, but in a life or death scenario u gota do wat u gota do for the greater good of the ppl)  Now if they are like "Oh i dont eat cow or pig on Ramadan.. im not gonna kill them while you build the boat" or something (suppose only i kno how to build the boat or sumthin), or if the christian guy is like, "i dont cut down trees as i was part of the Tree Relief program back on Amer.", ima be like, *What is the bs!? Yous are literally useless to our survival.

Like if anything, the ultimate belief system should be,"Dont stagger us to death, and pull out the carpet of survival on us".. Like if everyone on the imaginary desert island is like, "I Wana live", then atleast give us a heads up if we are to shift into death mode, so everyone can be mentally prepared in advance to go full death in mind.

Speaking of which, its startin to get hotter outer now, hotter than desert death so be prepd for that.

Edited Saturday at 12:42 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

A Rant

Another issue is scholars and their "system of collecting garbage"... i.e.,  what is called Paleo-Hebrew and Proto-Indo-European, as they are both these literal garbage buckets for placeholder letter/words and script-assoc., that literally do not help us in any way, shape or form, especially understanding Hebrew, as  it make no sense... like ... for a scholar, if you see anything that looks like Phoenician, you just call it Hebrew XD, cause thats what many of the experts will do. And like, It doesnt matter what era, or what location or what culture may have used it at the time... "In two thousand years its gonna become Hebrew, Duh... It doesnt matter if they we're waiting until the Renaissance to see the language come to fruition".

Like, they mine as well walk around and point at things and say "Hebrew here", "Hebrew there".

What im sayin is, there are So many lineages of What i call "EP" or Early/Later Stage Pirate script" (which is not even including intermediaries between the hieroglyphics and what is to become later stage pirate lang, or phoenician), and considering how theres so many things written in Ancient Greek, yet, somehow, the most significant text in history was written in the rarest language for that time, before Ancient Greek?...

What are the chances of something like that happening. Im pretty sure its almost near zero. I mean, i don t have a crystal.ball as i dont know how many people there were writing texts on the topic, but to me it sounds like our history has been heavily fractured and filled w a bunch of scholars throwing garbage in places it shouldnt be, or they are really just like, incredibly hard headed.

Like, the common view on these things is being scewed by writers, researchers and scholars who wanna think that hebrew was a bigger deal than it was, like its not til 10th Century AD, getting into later stage medieval period that its brought back, like... people have no idea the bs they are being fed~Granted that doesnt mean theres nothing there or that it doesnt deserve as much attention now. "Now" is a totally different time in history. "Now" is the present moment, the period we all know. But "Now" isnt our *Ancient history, like, we want to preserve ancient history, right? We want to do history justice.

Edited Monday at 10:37 PM by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part ii) i just wanna add this last conclusion and summary to sortve broaden wat i mean here.

Its terribly distracting to realize that the history of Hebrew makes no sense when you are tryina do research—Like its being used to generalize, in the same way Phoenician & PIE are used to generalize, and likely others too

I mean, it doesnt help us to understand Hebrew is what im sayin, as according to~you can take any era of Phoencian and call it "Lalalala-lalalala", without any consideration within the two thousand years that have existed in between...

Also Runic Italic/Latin isnt a direct descendent of Greek, but rather is essentially collolaborative in nature, as it doesnt develop after, but alongside, just without the advanced and organized foundations, like Runic Italic is falling upon those to be~of the Italy-Germanic Runic half, who are still not entirely organized by the time Greece gets their sht together. And then, Greeks (after Linear B, after that got their sht together, seeing as they were a bunch of pirates, like Phoenicians) at which point they then come to Italy, and they create a society, inviting Etruscans, Italic ppl, etc., and although there are still going to be battles nd such, per the eras where battles were how u solved issues, it is still an example of how Runic Italic collabs w/ Greece, and so, that is to say, we dont need to think too hard bout the fact that italic and Greek wouldve been collabing at a couple points in their history.

Like its also frustration when ppl still think Runic Italic/Latin lineage is a direct relative of Greek ~ Like, thats not how it works. Thats not how Later Pirate Language influences the world, by jus visiting this one, tiny area over and over. It has multiple levels of influences in the mediterranean and beyond (effecting every language)

(🇮🇹 p.s. i call the Greeks pirates (which i feel is a compliment), but im not sure u would call the Italic/Celtic wave a pirate lineage yet, atleast at this point, cause they are coming into Europea from the northish, and thus are more land-based, atleast during this era, but hey, its very possible they wrapped around, evolving into sailors, as the Greeks essentially wrapped around, settling &becoming *New landlubbers, Neapoli, sortve like orthogonal opposites... or two antipodal points or something)
 

Edited Monday at 10:41 PM by kavaris

[Rafael Thundercat]

Hard to read all this. What is the goal or point for you to all this research? I mean how this can help in the understanding of the present? 

[kavaris]

7 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Hard to read all this. What is the goal or point for you to all this research? I mean how this can help in the understanding of the present? 

it has nothing to do w the present. it clearly doesnt lol

p.s. you havent read or shift3d to the topic im speaking on. The title has the word "history" in it.

Edited Tuesday at 08:06 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

I assumed yous would actually look up 'who jospehus flavius'~as thats a good place to start to be able to start (thats not the name he was born w/ and its a title he took on later...)

And on the topic of pirating, since i brought that up ~ Yas gotta realize that pirating was a lucrative gig, so ppl would been joining it in order to make a living, granted theres different eras of maritime trade.

Maybe i have to teach yous about what all the different categories are in the realm of learning and teaching and such... As someone asked if "my goal had anything to do w/ the present moment". However, just in general you want to be specific. Saying "Im confused about everything" or "is this about something that its not about at all" isnt a good place to start, in order to be taken seriously in the world, so heres a list of what everything falls under...

1. Humanities (human meaning): History, Literature, Philosophy, Religion (Language as well, on the interpretive side)

note: "Language"-is not only symbolic and interpretative, etc., but its primary~as well as having itself listed as "a requirement" for everything here, so its one of those things that gets "taken for granted" even though you have to learn it~even on a minor level, in order to be able to do or study anything else

2. Trivium/Quadrivium: Trivium (fundamentals, clear thinking): Which has sub genres: "Grammar", "Logic" (also called dialectic), "Rhetoric" — expressing ideas effectively;; Quadrivium: "Arithmetic" — number itself (or the theory therein), "Geometry" — number in space, "Music" — number in time (not just art—but patterns, ratios, harmony, et caetera), "Astronomy" — number in space and time

3. Formal/Conceptual Sciences (pure structure... starts to blend into *applied sciences): Mathematics, Logic, Theoretical Sciences, et caetera

4. Natural Sciences (physical reality): Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Astronomy, Earth science

5. Social Sciences (human systems), Humans (scientifically treated), et caetera, Psychology, Sociology, Economics, Political science, Anthropology. This is about human behavior and organization.

I tried to go in order, starting from the categories of history to the modern era, as the modern era has begun to mix things up, in that its not circling back and teaching things in the way they use to be taught. Its not your fault, its the schools & universities job to teach these things, and the direction modern teaching has decided to go has been abysmal.

Rather then make a new thread, i just thought we'd continue here, as ive made lots of threads, and it doesnt speak to anyone getting a better understanding, or being able to understand things better. I think things have actually gotten less of an understanding and normal response via the spectrum of specificity and attention-to-detail on my part. Its also why im less likely to return, or try to respond to anyones ques., and just go about my business addressing issues here & there.

Edited Tuesday at 08:54 AM by kavaris

[Rafael Thundercat]

Do you have any study about Paul from the bible? 

[kavaris]

22 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Do you have any study about Paul from the bible? 

I will, now that youve brought him up... Let me see what i can find about him, as far as intrestin stuff. Paul is a very intetesting character, and it gives rise to all of are conception round Christianity. Lets begin w a baseline for now (and theres a few more chunks of history on him in part iii of the following posts)

Saul of Tarsus was his full name. Tarsus was a major Hellenistic city in Cilicia (modern southern Turkey/Asia minor Greece), which means he grew up steeped in Greek philosophy, rhetoric, and culture. He wrote in sophisticated Greek — not the koine of a fisherman, but the prose of an educated cosmopolitan.

He was simultaneously a diaspora Jew (a jew livin outside the ancestral homeland) and a Roman citizen — a rare and privileged combination.

Theres alot of death & destruction around what we might call the earliest *Paul years, or later capitulation ~ surrenderings... that which lead to the Paul who can read + write essentially

Theres the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 AD, right around when Paul's letters were circulating and the Gospels were starting to be written. Another major Jewish revolt was crushed in 135 AD and Jews were formally banned from Jerusalem entirely.
This essentially ended Judea as a Jewish homeland for nearly two millennia and pushed the remaining population fully into diaspora existence.

If we rewind and go back, the following events sortve cause scholars to want to bring thes latter terms like,  Jewish  and  Hebrew, into contexts where, in order to describe the same people, youd have to draw a direct connection, however.. one issue w this is how many times these so called tribes are relocated / displaced throughout history, so theres different tribes in different eras, Hebrew looking nothing like it did just 50 years ago...

Not to mention theres gona be Jews everywhere on Earth, independently believing their era of ancestral religion to be of a common era of language, and so forth...  but let me rewind...

The Assyrian Conquest (722 BC)
The northern kingdom of Israel (722 era israel) was conquered and a large portion of the population was deported into Assyria. These are the famous "ten lost tribes." Many of those communities never returned and dispersed further over generations.

The Babylonian Exile (597–539 BC)
The southern kingdom of Judah was conquered by Nebuchadnezzar. The elite, the priests, the skilled — were forcibly relocated to Babylon. This is a hugely formative era for Judaism as a religion. Jewish identity had to be renegotiated around Torah and practice rather than a physical temple.

When the Persians under Cyrus conquered Babylon and allowed Jews to return, many did — but a significant number simply stayed. They had built lives, businesses, communities in Babylon. So even the "restoration" left large populations outside the homeland voluntarily.

Edited yesterday at 12:56 PM by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part ii)

anyway, letts call that a totem/pillar, a sortve landmark that we have established on Paul. Now we can investigate paul without any of the scholarly generalizations around it, and locate and describe "Who is what", as each era can be wholly unique.

Also we have to consider the Greek language in all of this, which is to say then that, during the development of these proto-languages, they are using Greek to base said writings (eras of Proto languages they call hebrew... they call everything hebrew)

We have to be careful here, cause many of this stuff is a trap, that is, not just a trap around scholarly/mainstram views on jewish religion and greek being distilled into "this one little moment in time" (same thing they do to Greek, though its usually from scholars missing or ignoring a large majority of Greek history, and how it is utilized by non-native Greeks, etc) we also have to avoid these narratives that theres no evidence for, or that have been conflated together... Now some things jus "make sense". If something from history just makes sense, then it makes sense and we should be thinking of history from terms that make sense.

Let me give yous an example: Scholars ~And even many experts try to say the Latin lineages, or that the majority that relates to the eventual Latin (and i presume all of them from italy in their minds) that it all comes directly from Greek.

We know for a fact that Italy is settled by Greeks, who in turn, invite Italic, Etruscan, etc, etc people into their settlements to start a community. As the years go by, many of these tribes are taught Greek, alongside their tribal tongue... But this is YEARS after there had been Italian and Greek tribal interactions. So heres the question; if Greeks interacted with pre- Italian ppl years before this colonization, in order to influence each others language, why did italians have their own language? Why wouldnt the Greeks have just turned them all on to their system?

That is, why wouldnt they have just been using Greek? That is, they already had an alphabet, granted it may not have been A B C D E F G.... it mightve been a barbaric vers., plus ordering, but its like saying Greek generated all runic inscriptions, however we see Celtic inscriptions without any runes, And that is a tradition that doesnt rely on  this obvious  A B C D E F G.... In other words, those pre Germanic, Celtic & Italian tribes , et caetera, they have a long history, and they got their language in the same way Greeks got their language, through interactions with the broader world, and through trade, and this goes back to years where very geometrically simple pirate languages exist:

Someone just turned me onto a North African Berber language/writing system (it began w/ a /t/) And, i'd never seen it before last night... That language is an example, of the MANY, many, many languages there were, and how they have potential to play apart in this million-piece puzzle.

p.s. round about the same time Greeks came to Italy is actually round bout when we start to see an Alphabet, so i wouldnt be surprised if "Ordering each letter" was an idea traded to Greeks, but we dont have evidence for that, so lets not jump ahead til we know for sure... And i jus bring this all up, so that when we dive into Paul and related areas of history, that we have the most logical answers / foundation established.

Edited yesterday at 11:54 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part iii) And so the larger idea we could say ~temporarily~ is that, you come across a lot of rabbis and jews today, some Russian Jews, some Jews from all of the various middle eastern countries, some jews who had returned to israel, some jews in Europe, or in Greece, Turkey, Georgia, or that are East / North of the caspian sea.

Some Jews in Egypt, some Jews in Northern Africa, S. Amer., N. Amer., the point being its like, the whole world has little pockets of jewish families from entirely different branches, before the word Jew/Jewish existed, and certainly before the Medieval era when Hebrew started to be shaped into what it is now.

Returning to Paul...

Scholars placed the life of Paul in 5–15 AD for his birth, and his death around 62–68 AD, most likely in Rome. His active missionary career runs approximately 47–62 AD. The Gallio Inscription is a fixed date in the Pauline chronology ~Gallio~ who was the Roman proconsul of Achaia (Greece), and..... Acts 18 describes Paul being brought before him in Corinth. An inscription found at Delphi independently dates Gallio's tenure to around 51–52 AD.

The Roman historian Suetonius mentions Emperor Claudius expelling Jews from Rome, which Acts also references. That's independently dateable to around 49 AD

Paul has a couple important biblical passages, but ill let the bible scholars riff on that whole front. Anyway, lets come back to it wen we know more on Paul (P.s. Im not sure wat to make of the bible parts assoc. w/ Paul, so if yous wanna bring them into the fold, go ahead... I just dont want to use the bibles exact wording to give rise to our ideas, as theres no telling where that would lead us, probably down shits creek. Rather, well find *Other Landmarks to match PAUL TO~Working on Paul-the otherway around essentially)

Edited yesterday at 12:25 PM by kavaris

[kavaris]

(part iv) in a perfect world, we would get ahold of that Mahdii character (the mahdii has appeared dude) cause hes not Jewish or doesnt consider himself to be~i dont think~So therefore theres no Bias on his part to be brutal... And to create a specialized group from out of his major following, who could work on figuring out all the history involved in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, in order to build up a *New picture of what i call "The scribes deriving scripture at the same time" -sortve thing, but doing so in a broader way, building a system of etymologies, and of like, logically produced epithets.

An epithet is a descriptive word or phrase attached to, or substituted for a person's name that captures some defining quality.

Or it could involve like "A World Tree of Diaspora Jew" & Muslim, et caetera.... some system that is considerate of how many changes there are, iuno... im sure they would figure it out, as hes got enough ppl to build like a cult following specifically for researching and adding / modulating. And they are all like, Super experts on his stuff im sure, so they jus need to take that dang broad worldview, and build like the "Charles Manson World Tree" lol  i say that to be funny, cause ya know, cults can put some serious work in, lol, even if they end up goin in a dark direction (not that i think itll go in a bad direction, but hey, thats wat im sure everyone thought before X cult became wat they were... im speaking to all cults in general of course xD)

Edited yesterday at 12:45 PM by kavaris

[kavaris]

10 hours ago, kavaris said:

Let me give yous an example: Scholars ~And even many experts try to say the Latin lineages...

Real quick i was tryina draw this analogy between these two areas of research, and how We might start from a sequence that better encapsulates the details ~by which we subsequently come to a conclusion that better reflects said encapsulation... And one thing to add to this is to say that, there is, once again, many different periods (within a reasonable window where Greek has been introduced) where Italy is speaking Greek, alongside Latin-esque languages. Alas this is an era that is after the eras im talking about when mentioning *earlier trade and interactions;

As if youve read my stuff before, i talk about there being whats called "Early Pirate Language" (going back to the beginning)  And then, another lineage called "Later Pirate Language", which is more related to Phoenician, and those latter-based pirate-based languages that people point out when doing research.

But theres whats called "intermediaries" too, that which exist between Egyptian hieroglyphs and those languages to become Phoenician~The Mother tree, the subsequent latter eras that are to inspire ~all languages...

The point to this is to say that, there isnt just one lineage of Egyptian-based languages (see "Sinai inscriptions"), and later Phoenician-based~ancient lingua-franca languages, that influence all of these languages in the beginning; As'it leads to the *Phoenician canon- that starts to derive geometrically-relevant languages to today, The Italic Runes and the Greek-canon, and the era before~when the phoenician lineages are interacting w/, as well as after , which is the era that im also *speaking on, when talking about them HAVING established some Phoenician-based language/writing, and the interactions during ~

Now going way back, there is also the Linear B script (see "Linear B") Because that is the syllable-based language from earlier in time, that which doesnt look anything like Greek; And which is one of many~of what yous might call *primitive languages or something, though its important for creating a timeline)

P.s. Linear B is actually fascinating, and i still dont know what to make of it, as theres ALOT of these primitive intermediaries like this-that existed-but none of them are anything like Linear B, so wrap your head around that.

P.s.s. Also keep in mind, if you look @ Greek from the perspective of the Celticwave (that being essentially composed of Scandanavians-to-be, Celts-to-be, Italians-to-be, etc) they are cork-screwing in from the tribal lands of Ukraine~Russia~round'about areas... landing somewhere in The Alps Region~ Austria-ish areas, but i forget at the moment the exact place where the oldest evidence of civilizations are found... The point being, these are to become all of Europeans. However, they are not natives, as they are encountering ACTUAL euro-natives, and killing off the men to reproduce w/ the women.... So,  that Celticwave is to become the Northern Greeks, wherein they are ~like Greeks into Italy~ joining together w/ Turkeytribes/MiddleEstTribes @ Greece/Asia Minor, forming a slow but eventual pact, to acknowledge eachother & liv together, just as the Greeks do when they settle over in Italy

So the Greeks are only part Pirate, technically..., but then again, the Scandinavians were a seafaring culture, and depending on how far back seafaring goes, and how influential that Celticwave was to Greece, it could be that they have two different early Pirate cultures coming together as one (to form Greece) though one of them would only be like, "Black sea" or "Caspian Sea" pirates, and the logistics on how they would even be related to this initial Celticwave, or more on the Turkeytribal wave, im not sure, as i suppose its hard to pull those threads apart anyway.

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Edit: Something else ive been looking at...

Ive been real into this Greek Font Society website, which atleast like 20 years old, and you can go to their publications site and find a bunch of free pdf's on the information around Greek typefaces and engravings and all sorts of interrelated history: https://greekfontsociety-gfs.gr/_assets/pdfs/greek_letters/KyleMcCarter.pdf

That links you to a book called The Early Spread of the Greek Alphabet, and you can scroll down to the picture~As they demonstrates evolutions between different type (engravings) and how there is a long period of evolution that occurs between these letterforms, to even get to what we would even know&consider a Greek canon... That shows you jus how much time we're talking about, as even the Greek letterforms are taking years and years to develop out of Phoenician based script; ALas, that is a period of evolution that we must assume wouldve taken time. Linear B is quite different from these periods of engravings and such, and like i said; Iuno wat it is

Edited 18 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

The term Hebrew & Jew must be a catch all term then, cause thats sortve accidentally what theyve created here. As they dont have any clear evidence for any old hebrew alphabet, that is, the jewish assyrian looks assyrian, the hebrew aramaic looks aramaic, etc, so thus hebrew is thus a catch all term, in the same way the proto indo euro-, is just "that which reaches the limit to what we know" in the area of words and etymology and such... So in that way, its just that, they should popularize the jewish words,  "Ivri" which refers to "Hebrew", 
יְהוּדִי (Yehudi) — "Jew/Jewish" , And
יִשְׂרָאֵ  (Yisrael) — "Israel"  in order to refer to "todays square hebrew" which we have evidence & alphabet for... thats the shortcut to fixing the mistake that is paleo hebrew nd all that stuff down the road. Also, im not sure ppl even use hebrew as a real language, as the last guy to introduce new words into its vocabulary was the dude from 1800-1900, so iuno how youd reconstruct things youd need to talk bout in todays day n age anyway.

Anyway thats be my solution.