Fasting for Ramadan seems flawed?

[Ramasta9]

I recently been observing friends who are fasting now for Ramadan and it seems they are not really fasting at all, rather simply eating a little less? In my experience i know that for the body to enter a state of healing there needs to be no food intake for at least 12 hours but ideally 16 hours at least is optimal, then 20 - 24, 36, 48 ect... are all levels where body enters yet another deeper level of healing and purification.

The people i am observing are waking up to eat at 4:30 am then again at 7:30 pm which is about 14 hours but if they simply fasted from 7pm - 7pm the next day it is a huge difference in benefits than what they are doing. Also eating around 4 - 5am is very bad for the body, its counter-intuitive to nature and natural circadian rhythms, the body is almost never hungry at those times and rarely hungry soon as you wake up, forcing the body to eat like this can shift internal processes dramatically. The best time to break our fast or eat "break-fast" is around noon, and last meal ideally no later than 6 pm. The body will thank you for this.

The idea is good, but the knowledge is flawed and distorted it seems. In my experience, ancient prophets regardless of religion taught to fast for 7 - 40 days, at least no food whatsoever, to cleanse the spirit and purify the body, otherwise the healing is not deep enough, and you are still feeding daily so its not really a true fast, but i can see how it can be helpful with training and discipline, although i personally would eat once a day or fast for at least 3 - 7 days to get real results and make the most out of it.

For me i have my last meal at 6 pm sometimes 8 pm during summer, and I never eat before 11 am and its usually light fruit, watermelon or fresh juice. I usually have my first proper meal around 2 - 4 pm, so every day i am fasting naturally for at least 16 hours without effort, as the body calls for this. The more you align with nature and the cosmos, the more natural and effortless this becomes, and i feel people are missing out on the benefits, maybe this can inspire you, you can thank me later.

Edited 9 hours ago by Ramasta9

[kavaris]

I fast, by virtue of not having any money to eat, like... Fasting IS in a sense a means of having sympathy for such ppl, though i personally dont see it as a good idea~BUT thats coming from my perspective and situation. I can understand the many reasons it would be beneficial, especially to those who have been practicing it for how many years? Too many.

You gotta understand, theyve been fasting routinely for so long that its in their blood, its in their routine. So to ordinary ppl who dont fast or dont know what it is, they think logically so, pointing out things bout differences in their routines.

Those who do practice this, and who do fast~Theyve just been doing it alot longer, so all them rules do not apply.

Its sortve like people who work out constantly. You can try to tell Arnold swarzenneger at 30 that hes lifting wrong, but clearly hes doing something thats working for himself, even if its wrong to others. I mean, his goals were different, as it wasnt just to be fit, or to work out. It was things like, competition, etc., in the case for ram'donadans / ram'adonians nd such, they are like, on a whole nother planet from my pov (or really, anyones who differs)

As even if they werent financially stable, and werent able to make ends meat, theyd prolly still be practicing it, though they might not be as underweight and suffering from health issues as ive been, so its two totally different worlds~One being from my exp., as well as others who dont understand, versus those that Do understand it, as theyve been doing it for so long.

Thats my input. Now the specifics on the hours, i have no idea. To me, it makes sense, cause that sounds like the kindve hours that they would choose to fast. But again, im sure many ppl have chosen to fast in many diff times and many diff ways. I dont observe ppl fasting, but i do hear about it on and off, though it doesnt apply to me, so its like, i could care less.

Edited 9 hours ago by kavaris

[Ramasta9]

54 minutes ago, kavaris said:

I fast, by virtue of not having any money to eat, like... Fasting IS in a sense a means of having sympathy for such ppl, though i personally dont see it as a good idea~BUT thats coming from my perspective and situation. I can understand the many reasons it would be beneficial, especially to those who have been practicing it for how many years? Too many.

You gotta understand, theyve been fasting routinely for so long that its in their blood, its in their routine. So to ordinary ppl who dont fast or dont know what it is, they think logically so, pointing out things bout differences in their routines.

Those who do practice this, and who do fast~Theyve just been doing it alot longer, so all them rules do not apply.

Its sortve like people who work out constantly. You can try to tell Arnold swarzenneger at 30 that hes lifting wrong, but clearly hes doing something thats working for himself, even if its wrong to others. I mean, his goals were different, as it wasnt just to be fit, or to work out. It was things like, competition, etc., in the case for ram'donadans / ram'adonians nd such, they are like, on a whole nother planet from my pov (or really, anyones who differs)

As even if they werent financially stable, and werent able to make ends meat, theyd prolly still be practicing it, though they might not be as underweight and suffering from health issues as ive been, so its two totally different worlds~One being from my exp., as well as others who dont understand, versus those that Do understand it, as theyve been doing it for so long.

Thats my input. Now the specifics on the hours, i have no idea. To me, it makes sense, cause that sounds like the kindve hours that they would choose to fast. But again, im sure many ppl have chosen to fast in many diff times and many diff ways. I dont observe ppl fasting, but i do hear about it on and off, though it doesnt apply to me, so its like, i could care less.

I can understand that. I have been practicing fasting all my life and learned from some of the leading experts and teachers both scientists and spiritual teachers. I observe everything, its just who I am, i am very observant of things and see things that i cannot help. I always wish to help others who can do something better and more easier / more healing for them. Always trying to support my fellow man find a path of less resistance of the natural self.

 

[Basman]

They are religious, which means that they don't give a shit about the underlying principle. It's just about the tradition and dogma. It's blasphemous to even question the methodology. 

I've met Muslims who get into fights, drink and fuck, but don't eat pig. That's the extent of it. Zero spirituality. 

[Ziran]

9 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

I recently been observing friends who are fasting now for Ramadan and it seems they are not really fasting at all, rather simply eating a little less?

It's choosing to act in solidarity with other Muslims past present and future.  The choosing creates a metaphorical vessel in the heart-and-mind which is congruent and connected with other Muslim hearts-and-minds.