Veil of being spiritual, god, infinite or being something

[James123]

The matrix is not only waking up from material world to spiritual world. It is the entire fucking universe or infinity. 

The matrix is your beliefs, experiences, ideas, assumptions, interpretations.

With new experiences, new beliefs, old you becomes new you, and after again with new experiences, beliefs old you becomes new you. Such as I was Muslim, I am a spiritual person now or I wake up from matrix, now I am God in human form or I am god and I forget I wasn't it or I didn't know anything, listening this, experiencing this, now I now everything or I was a person but now I am infinite.

All is fucking bullshit. All is what you call matrix.

What You are is unnameable, inexperiencable, ungraspable.

Even, Be or simply be is too much. 

Life, mind, existence, infinite, god, universe can not explain, evaluate or grasp. Because, they are the matrix itself. 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

All is fucking bullshit. All is what you call matrix.

What You are is unnameable, inexperiencable, ungraspable.

Exactly! 👍

And absolutely nothing can know this, because absolutely nothing is this.

[Ziran]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Life, mind, existence, infinite, god, universe can not explain, evaluate or grasp. Because, they are the matrix itself. 

Pain and pleasure can be accurately evaluated.   Millions and millions of years of choosing pleasure instead of pain is "life".  Lacking accurate evalutation of pain and pleasure, "life" can not persist.

[Ziran]

10 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Exactly! 👍

And absolutely nothing can know this, because absolutely nothing is this.

It can't be known.  But it can be understood through abstraction.

[Ziran]

... imagine a ladder on the ground reaching up, up, up into the clouds.  I don't need to know how tall the ladder is to understand that the ladder is "tall".

It's like that

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Ziran said:

... imagine a ladder on the ground reaching up, up, up into the clouds.  I don't need to know how tall the ladder is to understand that the ladder is "tall".

It's like that

Bullshit.

10 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Pain and pleasure can be accurately evaluated.   Millions and millions of years of choosing pleasure instead of pain is "life".  Lacking accurate evalutation of pain and pleasure, "life" can not persist.

There is no past. Just thinking.

Keep imagining.

[Ziran]

Just now, James123 said:

Bullshit.

unsubstantiated denial is worthless

1 minute ago, James123 said:

There is no past. Just thinking.

See above

 

[James123]

26 minutes ago, Ziran said:

unsubstantiated denial is worthless

See above

 

Matrix 

[Cred]

@James123  How do you make decisions with your philosophy?

Edited 6 hours ago by Cred

[Joseph Maynor]

Isn't this just an exchange of one matrix for another one?  Sneaky how this works.  

[Cred]

Yes I had the same thought. When you become too obsessed with escaping all dogmas, then the avoidance of dogmas becomes itself a dogma

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

18 minutes ago, Cred said:

Yes I had the same thought. When you become too obsessed with escaping all dogmas, then the avoidance of dogmas becomes itself a dogma

Everything in the Universe does indeed come full circle doesn't it. It is truly amazing, and annoying.

[Joseph Maynor]

8 minutes ago, Infinite Tsukuyomi said:

Everything in the Universe does indeed come full circle doesn't it. It is truly amazing, and annoying.

This is a great example of this from my perspective.  I love these videos from a humor perspective alone.  

 

 

[Cred]

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Everything in the Universe does indeed come full circle doesn't it. It is truly amazing, and annoying.

I think the daoists have understood it. They also have the concept of emptiness, but they don't case it. Being in the dao means to just let things happen and when this means engaging with material reality so be it and when that means going into meditative states and reaching emptiness so be it. Don't cling to anything, don't reject anything. Just let yourself go without judgement. I think this is true freedom. Way more free than compulsively trying to escape the matrix.

Edited 5 hours ago by Cred

[Cred]

I believe this compulsive self critcism, judgement and escapism all comes from neurodivergent people who don't know they are neurodivergent. The more I live in accordance to my neurodivergence, the more I'm able to accept matter reality.

Edited 4 hours ago by Cred

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Matrix 

Paradox

[James123]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

@James123  How do you make decisions with your philosophy?

Decision maker is the body and mind. Not me.

[James123]

28 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Paradox

My brother, I can say actually this way.

Attachment to thinking, experiencing, evaluating, understanding etc.. is matrix. So, I leave you the rest.

[Joseph Maynor]

46 minutes ago, Cred said:

I believe like this compulsive self critcism, judgement and escapism all comes from neurodivergent people who don't know they are neurodivergent. The more I live in accordance to my neurodivergence, the more I'm able to accept matter reality.

I think this is kinda probably true on some level.  But only life can reveal this to you.  This is why I encourage people to be social.  The social corrects for a lot of things that you might not see alone.

[Ziran]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

My brother, I can say actually this way.

Attachment to thinking, experiencing, evaluating, understanding etc.. is matrix. So, I leave you the rest.

Perception is being shaped by expectation.  The shaping is internal.  Because of this, it can be observed in isolation.  This simple fact escapes the tautology.