The Democratic Leadership is Still Playing Not to Lose

[Elliott]

18 minutes ago, Raze said:

Irrelevant, they are popular federal programs.

You're telling me what's irrelevant for my opinion. You're saying since something is popular that it's right, yet previously in this thread you proclaimed voters are essentially mindless zombies meant to be swindled by politicians.

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That is 36% who strongly support, 29% also somewhat support, totaling 65% 

You're lacking critical thinking. You're falling for confirmation bias and bar chart coloring done by a Progressive(by name even) polling outfit.

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Your poll is from years ago and also says the other 58% say they support a public option. Which Biden ran on then never attempted to pass.

If you can’t pass something you won running on which has 58% support you are incompetent.

You're deluded, did running on the public option win 60% of the senate to vote for the public option, that's what's required to pass it. 

Do you understand..... Public Option means you pay out of your pocket for insurance?

I'm done here

Edited Saturday at 05:24 AM by Elliott

[Raze]

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You're telling me what's irrelevant for my opinion. You're saying since something is popular that it's right, yet previously in this thread you proclaimed voters are essentially mindless zombies meant to be swindled by politicians

Because we are discussing winning elections. 
 

14 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You're lacking critical thinking. You're falling for confirmation bias and bar chart coloring done by a Progressive(by name even) polling outfit.

No, you are supposed to add up strongly support with regular support for overall support.

Ok, here’s another one

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_haeOEK5.pdf
 

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

You're deluded, did running on the public option win 60% of the senate to vote for the public option, that's what's required to pass it. 

Do you understand..... Public Option means you pay out of your pocket for insurance?

I'm done here

What you’re saying makes no sense. There are many different issues and it’s job for the democrat leadership to get the rest to fall in line and if they don’t apply pressure.

 

[Elliott]

8 hours ago, Raze said:

 

No, you are supposed to add up strongly support with regular support for overall support.

It's NOT "regular" support, that would have been "Support Single Payer", NOT "SOMEWHAT support it"

 

 

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Ok, here’s another one

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_haeOEK5.pdf
 

What you’re saying makes no sense. There are many different issues and it’s job for the democrat leadership to get the rest to fall in line and if they don’t apply pressure.

You have zero awareness.

 

 

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AGAIN read the poll, the pollsters are ABSTRACTING the "support" number combining "somewhat" with "strongly", "somewhat" is NOT "regular" "support". The people were not given the option of "support", MY poll did.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/12/10/most-americans-say-government-has-a-responsibility-to-ensure-health-care-coverage/

"Dec 10, 2025 — 35% of all adults favor a single national health insurance system run by the government. · 26% of all adults say these programs should continue"

Edited Saturday at 01:55 PM by Elliott

[Raze]

15 hours ago, Elliott said:

It's NOT "regular" support, that would have been "Support Single Payer", NOT "SOMEWHAT support it"

 

 

You have zero awareness.

 

 

 

AGAIN read the poll, the pollsters are ABSTRACTING the "support" number combining "somewhat" with "strongly", "somewhat" is NOT "regular" "support". The people were not given the option of "support", MY poll did.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/12/10/most-americans-say-government-has-a-responsibility-to-ensure-health-care-coverage/

"Dec 10, 2025 — 35% of all adults favor a single national health insurance system run by the government. · 26% of all adults say these programs should continue"

You have no idea how these polls work.

Somewhat support is always counted into support. The poll itself does this. All polls that tell you how many support a proposal do this.

Your quoted source is asking from among many different options and single payer is still the most popular one. That doesn’t mean only 35% support it, many may prefer something else ideally but will still support it over the alternative given.

Edited yesterday at 05:02 AM by Raze