The Democratic Leadership is Still Playing Not to Lose

[Hardkill]

Despite being in the minority, Democratic leaders continue to play not to lose instead of taking bold action or building a compelling vision for the future.

Their communication strategies remain weak, clumsy, outdated, and unable to inspire or meaningfully challenge the status quo.

Their style is overly cautious and focused on damage control rather than on championing bold new ideas or organizing strong, clear opposition.

As a result, the Democratic Party’s current leadership is failing to rise to the challenges of the moment, both in terms of communication and policy strategy.

Chuck Schumer is a prime example of an aging Democratic leader who should step aside and allow someone like Cory Booker to take over as leader of the Senate Democrats.

At the same time, the Democratic establishment continues to put its thumb on the scale aggressively for other establishment candidates in many of the major upcoming elections this year, which I believe is a serious mistake. I used to be supportive of pro-establishment Democrats like Biden, but I have come to realize that establishment figures in today’s political environment have become an electoral liability. I hate to say it, but I now see them as a major reason we ended up with Joe Biden running for reelection against the wishes of most Democratic voters.

We are living in a moment when public cynicism toward politicians is at historic highs and trust in institutions is at an all-time low. Beltway Democrats need to stop imposing their judgment on voters and stop intervening so aggressively against younger, outsider, and talented candidates. They must allow primary voters to choose their nominees going forward.

Edited 11 hours ago by Hardkill

[Raze]

That’s because the plan is to just let republicans screw up enough so that people feel forced to vote for them and they don’t have to change at all.

And to be honest it’s working, they’re actually doing slightly better in polls and everyone’s lining up behind Newsom. 

[Hardkill]

19 minutes ago, Raze said:

That’s because the plan is to just let republicans screw up enough so that people feel forced to vote for them and they don’t have to change at all.

And to be honest it’s working, they’re actually doing slightly better in polls and everyone’s lining up behind Newsom. 

Yeah, but that didn't work so great in 2020 when Dems barely beat Trump and his party then.

They need to win in a landslide or close to it in 2028 if they want to defeat MAGA extremism for good. I believe that an FDR like message based on bold persistent experimentation in the way of liberalism/progressivism is the key to that.

People want major change in the country.

I appreciate Newsom's fight against Trump and MAGA, but what exactly does he stand for other than attacking them? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Hardkill

[kguirnela]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Despite being in the minority, Democratic leaders continue to play not to lose instead of taking bold action or building a compelling vision for the future.

Their communication strategies remain weak, clumsy, outdated, and unable to inspire or meaningfully challenge the status quo.

Their style is overly cautious and focused on damage control rather than on championing bold new ideas or organizing strong, clear opposition.

As a result, the Democratic Party’s current leadership is failing to rise to the challenges of the moment, both in terms of communication and policy strategy.

Chuck Schumer is a prime example of an aging Democratic leader who should step aside and allow someone like Cory Booker to take over as leader of the Senate Democrats.

At the same time, the Democratic establishment continues to put its thumb on the scale aggressively for other establishment candidates in many of the major upcoming elections this year, which I believe is a serious mistake. I used to be supportive of pro-establishment Democrats like Biden, but I have come to realize that establishment figures in today’s political environment have become an electoral liability. I hate to say it, but I now see them as a major reason we ended up with Joe Biden running for reelection against the wishes of most Democratic voters.

We are living in a moment when public cynicism toward politicians is at historic highs and trust in institutions is at an all-time low. Beltway Democrats need to stop imposing their judgment on voters and stop intervening so aggressively against younger, outsider, and talented candidates. They must allow primary voters to choose their nominees going forward.

*facepalm

**Hutch: This is on the voters

Just admit your a blackpill leftist.

 

"the Democratic establishment continues to put its thumb on the scale aggressively for other establishment candidates in many of the major upcoming elections this year, which I believe is a serious mistake." So your saying my soon to be governor Mikie Sherrill was a mistake & you would rather let Jack Ciatrelli (a Trump dick sucker) instead be governor just to show the democrats their wrong? This also applies to Abigal Spanburger in Virginia as well. 

[Hardkill]

8 minutes ago, kguirnela said:

*facepalm

**Hutch: This is on the voters

Just admit your a blackpill leftist.

 

"the Democratic establishment continues to put its thumb on the scale aggressively for other establishment candidates in many of the major upcoming elections this year, which I believe is a serious mistake." So your saying my soon to be governor Mikie Sherrill was a mistake & you would rather let Jack Ciatrelli (a Trump dick sucker) instead be governor just to show the democrats their wrong? This also applies to Abigal Spanburger in Virginia as well. 

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I was happy that Sherrill won in a landslide. I was worried that she might lose because the polls showed that it was looking like a very tight race and she doesn't seem like a great communicator.

I was very glad that Abigail Spanberger won her race in Virginia in a landslide too. However, she's another establishment type that's too afraid of playing to win instead of playing not to lose.

Even the Bulwark, a center-right organization that wants Democrats to succeed have talked about how the Democratic Party still has too many leaders who are either too far to the left for most American voters or are moderate enough, but keep playing it too safe or are taking on the fight against Trump and MAGA in a way that comes off as too slick like Newsom.

 

[kguirnela]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I was happy that Sherrill won in a landslide. I was worried that she might lose because the polls showed that it was looking like a very tight race and she doesn't seem like a great communicator.

I was very glad that Abigail Spanberger won her race in Virginia in a landslide too. However, she's another establishment type that's too afraid of playing to win instead of playing not to lose.

Even the Bulwark, a center-right organization that wants Democrats to succeed have talked about how the Democratic Party still has too many leaders who are either too far to the left for most American voters or are moderate enough, but keep playing it too safe or are taking on the fight against Trump and MAGA in a way that comes off as too slick like Newsom.

 

No your missing the fucking point. You continue to blame democrats while you refuse take responsibility for yourself & telling others don't vote for democrats their the same. Thats what I meant when I was referring to Mikie Sherrill when your basically saying thats not enough. Basically this is what I'm saying, voters like you need to take responsibility. There is no excuse for the voters on why they can't vote democrats if they want to stop Trump 

At the 1:24 mark, that is you

[Raze]

48 minutes ago, kguirnela said:

No your missing the fucking point. You continue to blame democrats while you refuse take responsibility for yourself & telling others don't vote for democrats their the same. Thats what I meant when I was referring to Mikie Sherrill when your basically saying thats not enough. Basically this is what I'm saying, voters like you need to take responsibility. There is no excuse for the voters on why they can't vote democrats if they want to stop Trump 

At the 1:24 mark, that is you

That’s not how it works. The job of politicians is to inspire people to vote for them. If the politicians can’t do that they failed, not the voters.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

That’s not how it works. The job of politicians is to inspire people to vote for them. If the politicians can’t do that they failed, not the voters.

NO IT'S NOT, it's to legislate, to work for the VOTERS. Voters are adults. Jesus christ.

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[Raze]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

NO IT'S NOT, it's to legislate, to work for the VOTERS. Voters are adults. Jesus christ.

Yes voters are adults, and the purpose of elections is for politicians to get voters to vote for them, If they fail the politician failed.

What you’re saying is like if a restaurant goes out of business and blames people for not eating at it. It is the restaurants responsibility to bring customers, if it failed to do so it will fail.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Yes voters are adults, and the purpose of elections is for politicians to get voters to vote for them, If they fail the politician failed.

WRONG. Elections are when the VOTERS are to work, discerning candidates.

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What you’re saying is like if a restaurant goes out of business and blames people for not eating at it. It is the restaurants responsibility to bring customers, if it failed to do so it will fail.

No. It's like you eating at McDonald's vs a good restaurant that doesn't advertise. The voters are the ones that profit or lose from candidates they choose. It's not the good restaurants responsibility, that's asinine to say that, the good restaurants responsibility is good food, the CUSTOMER should filter restaurants. Jesus christ you socialists want everyone to be your mommy, you don't reward fucking MCDONALDS for advertisement over a good restaurant, seriously!!!???

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[Raze]

44 minutes ago, Elliott said:

WRONG. Elections are when the VOTERS are to work, discerning candidates.

No. It's like you eating at McDonald's vs a good restaurant that doesn't advertise. The voters are the ones that profit or lose from candidates they choose. It's not the good restaurants responsibility, that's asinine to say that, the good restaurants responsibility is good food, the CUSTOMER should filter restaurants. Jesus christ you socialists want everyone to be your mommy, you don't reward fucking MCDONALDS for advertisement over a good restaurant, seriously!!!???

McDonald’s sells more than any other restaurant precisely for this reason.

Its called acknowledging reality. McDonald’s knows that what matters is taking ownership and marketing to get people in the door.

A good restaurant can complain people don’t appreciate them all they want, no one cares.

If you run a restaurant and you want it to succeed you don’t just expect people to know, you market and persuade.

The entire point of elections is for candidates to persuade the public.

If they fail to persuade the public, that’s on them.

Just complaining about the voters is stupid, if you can’t get the voters on your side you should resign and put someone in your position who can, that’s the purpose of campaigning.

Notice how Hutch and his ilk never use this blame the voters logic when the side they don’t like loses, then it’s that they are just wrong and would need to change how they do things to succeed.

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[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

McDonald’s sells more than any other restaurant precisely for this reason.

Its called acknowledging reality. McDonald’s knows that what matters is taking ownership and marketing to get people in the door.

A good restaurant can complain people don’t appreciate them all they want, no one cares.

If you run a restaurant and you want it to succeed you don’t just expect people to know, you market and persuade.

The entire point of elections is for candidates to persuade the public.

If they fail to persuade the public, that’s on them.

Just complaining about the voters is stupid, if you can’t get the voters on your side you should resign and put someone in your position who can, that’s the purpose of campaigning.

DUDE this means Americans need to wake the fuck up, not that other restaurants need to focus only on advertisement and shit food. SERIOUSLY?

Democrats are winning every election, you're the one not in reality.

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

DUDE this means Americans need to wake the fuck up, not that other restaurants need to focus only on advertisement and shit food. SERIOUSLY?

 

In a competitive market it is up to the producer to persuade consumers. 

Imagine two people start companies, one focuses on convincing people to buy from them, the other whines that it’s the peoples job to come buy from him.

You literally brought up McDonald’s yourself which is an example of this. McDonald’s wins because they persuade. Imagine if McDonald’s only ever just expected people to buy from them because it’s their job, they would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Hutch and his ilk never use this blame the voters logic when the side they don’t like loses! It’s just sour grapes because their beloved establishment democrats and their strategies failed but he doesn’t want to fundamentally question why.

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze

[Elliott]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

 

And to be honest it’s working, they’re actually doing slightly better in polls and everyone’s lining up behind Newsom. 

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. 

Lying socialists

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[Elliott]

Just now, Raze said:

 

In a competitive market it is up to the producer to persuade consumers. 

Imagine two people start companies, one focuses on convincing people to buy from them, the other whines that it’s the peoples job to come buy from him.

You literally brought up McDonald’s yourself which is an example of this.

Hutch and his ilk never use this blame the voters logic when the side they don’t like loses! It’s just sour grapes because their beloved establishment democrats and their strategies failed but he doesn’t want to fundamentally question why.

McDonalds winning is the CONSUMERS fault, not Michelin star restaurants faults.

[Raze]

Just now, Elliott said:

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. 

Lying socialists

No I just have capacity for nuance and basic logic. This doesn’t conflict with anything I’m saying. Democrats are just getting lucky their opposition is shooting itself in the foot. 

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

McDonalds winning is the CONSUMERS fault, not Michelin star restaurants faults.

So the Michelin star restaurant should not consider adopting the winning strategy McDonald’s uses but instead just declare it is everyone who didn’t buy from thems fault and let their business tank and go out of business?

Congrats your business failed and no one cares. 

I wonder if you’d maintain this belief if we invested your life savings in a business. Would you sit on your high horse like this or would you suggest they actually try to convince customers to buy? 

By your logic everyone should just stop donating to democrats and they shouldn’t even bother campaigning. Since it’s everyone else’s job to just vote for them.

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze

[Elliott]

Just now, Raze said:

No I just have capacity for nuance and basic logic. This doesn’t conflict with anything I’m saying. Democrats are just getting lucky their opposition is shooting itself in the foot. 

Ya, being a bad fucking legislator and president vs being a better one, Because the VOTERS AREN'T 5 year olds buying happy meals

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Ya, being a bad fucking legislator and president vs being a better one, Because the VOTERS AREN'T 5 year olds buying happy meals

The only reason you are defending the democrats is because at some point they persuaded you, but somehow you deny the relevance of persuading others in a system which power is awarded though votes (in each state). Ironic.

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

That’s not how it works. The job of politicians is to inspire people to vote for them. If the politicians can’t do that they failed, not the voters.

This is what we're arguing. The voters FAILED.