Truth is the Authority, not the Authority is Truth!

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

if he just sat in the room and said nothing, most everyone would leave

Have you ever sat in a room with him? These are beleifs you are making up because you are putting him as an authority figure. Which is what he is saying not to do. Its more dogma.

I have watched every video I know he says that in a video.

Edited 21 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Have you ever sat in a room with him? These are beleifs you are making up because you are putting him as an authority figure. Which is what he is saying not to do. Its more dogma.

I have watched every video I know he says that in a video.

Yes on 3 different occassion, for days at a time..

Listen its really simple, how is one to make change or transformation if they cannot do it by themselves without help? Answer that one for me as well as why Leo should continue doing what he is doing according to Your logic?

My advice is to not believe anything he says, but to try out the methods he shares if Your interested, if not then ignore him!

Edited 21 hours ago by Ishanga

[Hojo]

@IshangaYou sat in a room with him 3 times and had to leave 3 times?

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@IshangaYou sat in a room with him 3 times and had to leave 3 times?

?? I went to 3 different events with him there leading the event lol

Edited 21 hours ago by Ishanga

[Hojo]

@IshangaThen why are you saying I would have to leave the room?

[Ishanga]

Just now, Hojo said:

@IshangaThen why are you saying I would have to leave the room?

where did I say You have to leave the room?

 

[Hojo]

@IshangaLeo allows back and forth interaction between himself and his users for clarification.

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

If he just sat in the room and said nothing, most everyone would leave

@Ishanga

I know this is a direct quote from one of his videos. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@IshangaLeo allows back and forth interaction between himself and his users for clarification.

so does Sadhguru lol,

 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga

I know this is a direct quote from one of his videos. 

doesn't matter if he said it or not, the fact is ppl would leave the room if he sat there and said nothing, same with anyone sitting on a stage infront of a crowd!!

[Hojo]

@Ishanga Troll

[Ishanga]

the hatred and jealously or dislike of him is strange, if You don't like him ignore him..

I've taught Kung Fu for decades, I don't like Tae Kwon Do, its not really an effective martial art for self defense or fighting, so I don't watch tkd videos, or go on tkd forums, or interact with them either, I ignore them cause I don' think its a good martial art!

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga Troll

name calling, like the other guy, high level ppl:)

[Hojo]

@IshangaYou are so weird just because I go against what you think about him I hate him and am jealous of him. You keep doing it. Where in this comment section did I give any sense that I hated him or was jealous of him. I said he said dont treat me like an authority figure but you are.

Edited 20 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@IshangaYou are so weird just because I go against what you think about him I hate him and am jealous of him. You keep doing it. 

I don't care what You or anyone thinks of him, that is the point, but this is a Thread I started, You guys are the one attacking him, I'm just replying, hate him all You want, dislike him all You want, don't matter to me, its the thread integrity I'm concerned about.. Plus there is enough on this forum about him already, nay sayers, supporters, ppl can search thru and find what appeals to them...

[Hojo]

@IshangaWhere did i attack him? Or even say I dislike him on this topic? I just asked a question. If he says dont beleive authority figures why treat him like one?

Edited 20 hours ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

@IshangaI didnt state any opinions I had about him here you are going off hard for no reason. Its like I insulted your girlfriend.

Edited 20 hours ago by Hojo

[Ishanga]

The main problem with living Guru's (Humans) is that inevitably we will judge them via how we perceive them with our 5 senses, and form a conclusion of sorts, and then we either follow, worship, become obsessed with, or the opposite disengage, hate/dislike, put down and fight against or just ignore, just because of what we perceive from this person, how they look, how they talk, what they are talking about, what actions they perform, etc.. Its almost unavoidable..

Problem is we can be missing allot of help and guidance when this happens, its like a rock can be a Guru of sorts, but we devalue a rock because we think it is basically useless, but they aren't.. What can you learn from a rock, lots of things..

The lesson is too just use the Guru in this case, don't judge too much.. Use discretion of course but don't draw conclusions and go one way or the other, if the information and methods given are useful for You then use it, if not move on..

Bruce Lee said this regarding his Jeet Kune Do philosophy about Martial Arts Training "Accept what is Useful, Disregard what is Useless. Add what is Specifically Your Own!", in the case of Spirituality if Your a newbie then don't add what is Your own, since You don't know what Spirituality is, if You have experience then it applies well! In the end its up too You!

[Elliott]

Just now, Ishanga said:

The main problem with living Guru's (Humans) is that inevitably we will judge them via how we perceive them with our 5 senses, and form a conclusion of sorts, and then we either follow, worship, become obsessed with, or the opposite disengage, hate/dislike, put down and fight against or just ignore, just because of what we perceive from this person, how they look, how they talk, what they are talking about, what actions they perform, etc.. Its almost unavoidable..

Problem is we can be missing allot of help and guidance when this happens, its like a rock can be a Guru of sorts, but we devalue a rock because we think it is basically useless, but they aren't.. What can you learn from a rock, lots of things..

The lesson is too just use the Guru in this case, don't judge too much.. Use discretion of course but don't draw conclusions and go one way or the other, if the information and methods given are useful for You then use it, if not move on..

Bruce Lee said this regarding his Jeet Kune Do philosophy about Martial Arts Training "Accept what is Useful, Disregard what is Useless. Add what is Specifically Your Own!", in the case of Spirituality if Your a newbie then don't add what is Your own, since You don't know what Spirituality is, if You have experience then it applies well! In the end its up too You!

The problem with these fake gurus like Sadhguru is that he teaches beliefs rather than just questioning beliefs. THAT'S IT. Sadhguru causes problems for people, YOU being exhibit 'A'.

[Hojo]

I have watched all of sadhgurus videos and have come out with more beleifs than when I went in.

He introduces random concepts and dosent give any conclusions to them.

For instance

You watch this video and if you take it seriously its like you can never touch anything you can never wear anything you dont burn, you shouldnt own anything, no friends, no touching people or you will end up reincarnating over and over again.

This is like 1000 beleifs I never had before I went into the video. It does way more harm than good.

Somehow Im not the body and im not the mind but also I cant use the body to touch anything or I will reincarnate on earth forever.

When I started saying fuck sadhguru I wont beleive everything he says I am free.

Edited 18 hours ago by Hojo