The Mechanics and Limitations of Logic

[Beyond Illusion]

Some while ago, I contemplated what logic is, how it works and what the limitations of logic are. Here is a summary of the insights I had. If any of you have contemplated the topic for yourself and have more points or examples to add, I would be interested in hearing them. There are probably way more ways people can misapply logic than I can ever think of, lol.

 

1. Logic Relies on Assumptions: Logic is the process of drawing a conclusion by connecting multiple assumptions. If you take away the assumptions, logic cannot function.

 

2. Our Assumptions Are Subjective: We usually base our assumptions on past experiences and our general worldview. Because everyone has different experiences and worldviews, our assumptions are subjective and vary greatly from person to person. Our worldview acts as the ground for our logic.

If we have a distorted perception, we come to false assumptions and therefore false logical conclusions. Here is a simple example: If a gardener has bad eyesight (distorted perception) and mistakes pear seeds for apple seeds, his logic will lead him to believe an apple tree will grow. The logic is sound, but the conclusion is false because the starting assumption was wrong.

Even seemingly objective assumptions are relative. As an example, when we let go of a stone, we assume the stone will fall down because it always has. But this is relative to our location and our state of consciousness. If we let go of the stone in a space station, the stone wouldn’t fall. In a dream it is also not guaranteed that the stone falls down.

 

3. Summary of Logical Traps and the Limits of Logic:

False Assumptions: Like described above, if our assumptions are wrong, our logic will lead to false conclusions.

False Application of Logic: Even if specific assumptions are correct, we can still draw false conclusions. For example, if book sales and crime rates rise at the same time, it would be most likely false to conclude that books cause crime.

Circular Logic: This happens when you use the conclusion to prove the assumption (e.g., "The stock price is high because the company is successful," and "The company is successful because the stock price is high").

Logic in Complex Systems: Logic struggles with complex systems like the weather because there are too many variables to calculate perfectly. We simply don’t know all the potential variables and how these variables interact. Therefore, oversimplified assumptions of the biggest influences are made in order to have an at least somewhat reliable prediction.

Logic Cannot Explain Existence: You cannot use logic to figure out the fundamental nature of existence. Why? Because you must exist before you can use logic. Logic is only one small part of existence and you can’t understand the whole of existence with only a part of it. Furthermore, the assumptions made to perform logic cannot be justified by logic itself. Otherwise, we would have circular logic.

Conclusion: Logic is a useful tool for gaining new insights from existing assumptions, but we must always be aware of its limits.

 

This is a summary of an article I wrote. If you are interested, here is the link to the full article: https://open.substack.com/pub/endlessinquiry/p/the-limits-of-logic-and-assumptions?r=6x9wva&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

[Breakingthewall]

You're addressing a much more complex topic than it seems. Let's see,

1- humans don't create logic, they discover it. Logic is previous than the thought 

2- logic means coherence, and coherence doesn't mean order, mean relationships that doesn't cancel each other out; they mesh together

3- logic is not content, is form. Logic doesn't say what's real, say how has to behave any relationship to doesn't contradict itself. 

Then logic is the first limitation possible in the unlimited. Or in another words, logic is the necessary condition to existence. What is not logic doesn't exist. It's absolutely impossible. 

Logic is relation, relation is change, change is existence. 

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Or in other words, logic is the necessary condition to existence. What is not logic doesn't exist. It's absolutely impossible. 

I’ve had the exact same thought. Like if something exists there’s a logic to it no matter how twisted it might be, including supernatural and all that

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve had the exact same thought. Like if something exists there’s a logic to it no matter how twisted it might be, including supernatural and all that

It's inevitable. The fact of existing implies change , change implies relationship and the condition for any relationship is logic. What is not logic is simply inexistent, can't exist because it's not synchronized. If anything exist there is a perfect logic behind it. Perhaps we don't understand that logic, but it exists.

[Beyond Illusion]

On 3.12.2025 at 4:31 AM, Breakingthewall said:

You're addressing a much more complex topic than it seems. Let's see,

1- humans don't create logic, they discover it. Logic is previous than the thought 

2- logic means coherence, and coherence doesn't mean order, mean relationships that doesn't cancel each other out; they mesh together

3- logic is not content, is form. Logic doesn't say what's real, say how has to behave any relationship to doesn't contradict itself. 

Then logic is the first limitation possible in the unlimited. Or in another words, logic is the necessary condition to existence. What is not logic doesn't exist. It's absolutely impossible. 

Logic is relation, relation is change, change is existence. 

Thank you for the response. I think you are right to point this out. Let’s make a distinction between the logic humans normally use (Human Logic) and Logic as a fundamental universal principle (Universal Logic). I also think there is a Universal Logic. For example, if something limited exists it has to have a specific form which has to be different from every other possible distinct form. It has to have this distinct form because otherwise it wouldn’t be what it is. A Rock for example can’t be a human at the same time, otherwise it would cease to have the distinct form of a rock. This sort of universal logic is required for the existence of limited forms, without it everything would just mesh together into infinity.

In this way everything is connected with everything else, because without this connection, no limited form could really exist. Nothing that is limited can exist without its relationship to everything else, because the limited thing gets defined by its relationships to everything else. Duality is needed in order for anything to exist. Because everything limited has a distinct form that is defined by its relationships to everything else, the things interact with each other in a logical way, at least from a human perspective. But there are really no rules that make these interactions absolute, if God would want to imagine an illogical interaction or change the rules of some relationships, then these would manifest as well. But then again there is a certain logic to what God can do, which is everything (unlimited potential).

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Beyond Illusion said:

this way everything is connected with everything else, because without this connection, no limited form could really exist. Nothing that is limited can exist without its relationship to everything else, because the limited thing gets defined by its relationships to everything else.

Absolutely exactly 

6 hours ago, Beyond Illusion said:

the logic humans normally use (Human Logic) and Logic as a fundamental universal principle

There are the same. Human mind has the ability to understand the logic of the relationship. This also includes completely counterintuitive logics such as the principle of decoherence or mathematics of chaos . Absolutely everything that exists is organized coherently; the fact of existing implies coherence, and any coherence can be mathematically defined.

6 hours ago, Beyond Illusion said:

God would want to imagine an illogical interaction

God doesn't want, because if it wants it would be a relative entity that wants limited things. God is not imagining the reality, it would be a dualistic scheme. God is the reality, and the reality develops itself in coherent relationships. 

[Beyond Illusion]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

God doesn't want, because if it wants it would be a relative entity that wants limited things. God is not imagining the reality, it would be a dualistic scheme. God is the reality, and the reality develops itself in coherent relationships. 

Yes, God is not a relative entity that wants things, God = Reality. This was more of a metaphorical use of language. What I mean by that in other words is that the logic of Absolute Infinity entails, that infinite potential and actualization must also include the creation of illogical realities and relationships. If only logical realities can manifest, that would be a limitation for Absolute Infinity, which cannot be the case, because Reality = Absolute Infinity = God = Completely Unlimited. To be honest, I have no idea how exactly a completely illogical reality would look like, I just know that the logic of Absolute Infinity points towards it.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Beyond Illusion said:

What I mean by that in other words is that the logic of Absolute Infinity entails, that infinite potential and actualization must also include the creation of illogical realities and relationships

I'd say that this is impossible because if any reality arises implies it's logic. The question is whether you understand it or not, but the fact that it exists implies logic always. Same than always, absolutely always, implies limits. Without limits there is the unlimited, nothing defined. If there is anything, there are limits, and how those limits connect implies a coherence, a logic. Another necessary condition is delay. Without delay there is not process, delay is the fundamental limit. From it the other limits arise. Without delay everything would be simultaneous, then formless, no becoming, no thing. 

So the absolute has a lot of limitations. The number one: it can't not be. 2, can't be limited, only in appearance. 3, can't stop manifesting. Etc etc etc 

[Beyond Illusion]

On 5.12.2025 at 1:48 AM, Breakingthewall said:

I'd say that this is impossible because if any reality arises implies it's logic. The question is whether you understand it or not, but the fact that it exists implies logic always. Same than always, absolutely always, implies limits. Without limits there is the unlimited, nothing defined. If there is anything, there are limits, and how those limits connect implies a coherence, a logic. Another necessary condition is delay. Without delay there is not process, delay is the fundamental limit. From it the other limits arise. Without delay everything would be simultaneous, then formless, no becoming, no thing. 

So the absolute has a lot of limitations. The number one: it can't not be. 2, can't be limited, only in appearance. 3, can't stop manifesting. Etc etc etc 

Yes, the way the Absolute resolves these paradoxes of limitation is with the creations of illusions (appearances). The creation of illusions allows the Absolute to be limited or illogical, at least temporarily. So, I would say the creation of illogical realities is possible as an appearance, but underlying is still the logic of the nature of the Absolute. This allows the Absolute to include everything that would normally contradict its own nature. These illusions are so powerful that in the moment they are created they are reality, because Reality temporarily takes the form of these illusions. So the logic of Absolute Infinity allows for the inclusion of everything and is therefore completely unlimited without contradicting itself in the big picture.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Beyond Illusion said:

Yes, the way the Absolute resolves these paradoxes of limitation is with the creations of illusions (appearances). The creation of illusions allows the Absolute to be limited or illogical, at least temporarily. So, I would say the creation of illogical realities is possible as an appearance, but underlying is still the logic of the nature of the Absolute. This allows the Absolute to include everything that would normally contradict its own nature. These illusions are so powerful that in the moment they are created they are reality, because Reality temporarily takes the form of these illusions. So the logic of Absolute Infinity allows for the inclusion of everything and is therefore completely unlimited without contradicting itself in the big picture.

The absolute does nothing and chooses nothing, since to do so would be relative. What emerges is always a manifestation of the absolute because the absolute, as its name indicates, is unlimited.

Any form or limit is logical by definition, since it exists. Nothing that is not logical can exist; it is absolutely impossible. Even the most random relationship follows a logic, since it is a relationship

The Absolute is not an entity that creates forms, for if it were, it would be a relative creator. The Absolute is the totality in which apparent limits emerge and relationships occur.

The Absolute is absolutely immutable, for what it is is limitlessness. It is exactly that: unbounded. Any creation, intention, will, intelligence, character, is a limit that occurs within the Absolute.

The Absolute is simply total and is absolutely terrifying to the mind because there is nothing to hold onto; it is total dissolution, yet within it, everything exists. If you want to live, die. But truly die, not by clinging to a god who loves and plays.