I`m Confused WIth Free Will

[RisingLane]

I will make this my signature as soon as I can.

[Ishanga]

49 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

I will make this my signature as soon as I can.

Everything is predetermined after the Moment goes by (this moment was inevitable), before that nothing is predetermine when it comes to Human Nature or how You feel within Yourself or the decisions You make, which largely depends on how Conscious You are, low Consciousness means no access to Free Will, High Consciousness means Free Will is now in Your Control!  The cavet is Karma, Karma rules most ppl, Karma is like Software in Your computer, it allows You to do many things but its limiting You and controlling You as well, via conditioning and habits/tendencies developed, High Consciousness solves all of this!

[RisingLane]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Everything is predetermined after the Moment goes by (this moment was inevitable), before that nothing is predetermine when it comes to Human Nature or how You feel within Yourself or the decisions You make, which largely depends on how Conscious You are, low Consciousness means no access to Free Will, High Consciousness means Free Will is now in Your Control!  The cavet is Karma, Karma rules most ppl, Karma is like Software in Your computer, it allows You to do many things but its limiting You and controlling You as well, via conditioning and habits/tendencies developed, High Consciousness solves all of this!

What determines a person’s level of consciousness? The truth is, nothing is really under your control—not even whether you’re in a low or high state of consciousness. As you said, everything is governed by karma, and higher consciousness doesn’t change that. There’s really nothing to solve. Karma is simply conditioning—like your heart being conditioned to beat—and that’s not something that needs solving.

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, RisingLane said:

What determines a person’s level of consciousness? The truth is, nothing is really under your control—not even whether you’re in a low or high state of consciousness. As you said, everything is governed by karma, and higher consciousness doesn’t change that. There’s really nothing to solve. Karma is simply conditioning—like your heart being conditioned to beat—and that’s not something that needs solving.

On the contrary, with a Higher State of Consciousness attained one can dissolve or not be affected by their Karma, its called Enlightenment, problem is the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of Physical Death is the same for most, only Guru's of a certain kind stay on, they consciously create karma or they are masters of their energy systems.. If You master Your Energy system You can 100% determine Your destiny, when You die (other than an accident), if You are reborn and into what body, or if You merge with Absolute!

What determines a person's level of Consciousness? Well its not done from someone looking at someone else and making the determination, its an internal thing and You will know it definitely when it happens, its not a small Experience to have happen to You:)

Edited 14 hours ago by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

On the contrary, with a Higher State of Consciousness attained one can dissolve or not be affected by their Karma, its called Enlightenment, problem is the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of Physical Death is the same for most, only Guru's of a certain kind stay on, they consciously create karma or they are masters of their energy systems..

Sure, but when and how does a person reach higher states of consciousness? It ultimately just comes down to luck. What happened to Ramana, for example, was quite fortunate. It seems he didn’t have much karma.

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What determines a person's level of Consciousness? Well its not done from someone looking at someone else and making the determination, its an internal thing and You will know it definitely when it happens, its not a small Experience to have happen to You:)

I think a person's level of consciousness is determined by luck. Luck swallows everything.

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Sure, but when and how does a person reach higher states of consciousness? It ultimately just comes down to luck. What happened to Ramana, for example, was quite fortunate. It seems he didn’t have much karma.

I think a person's level of consciousness is determined by luck. Luck swallows everything.

Yoga, Taoism, Buddhism, the Eastern Methods are the most effective imo, but some use gnostic stuff and other esoteric methods, there are lots of ways to Enlightenment that are time proven and tested (thousands of Years old)..

Ramana's karma from what I can tell is that he was basically born the way he was, born to be already Enlightened or close to it...

[RisingLane]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yoga, Taoism, Buddhism, the Eastern Methods are the most effective imo, but some use gnostic stuff and other esoteric methods, there are lots of ways to Enlightenment that are time proven and tested (thousands of Years old)..

Yes, you can practice if you are determined, but how far you will go or if you will succeed is not in your control. This is the essence of determinism.

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Ramana's karma from what I can tell is that he was basically born the way he was, born to be already Enlightened or close to it...

Hence, determinism.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Yes, you can practice if you are determined, but how far you will go or if you will succeed is not in your control. This is the essence of determinism.

Hence, determinism.

With the practice part of the eastern systems, they don't "make" you enlightened, they just erase all the crap that is preventing You from Realizing it now, it takes most of the karma away, its up to You if You want to go all the way, most just stay below the Enlightenment stage, they like life the way it here and choose to stay, Free Will again rules!

With Ramana it wasn't determinism once again, his karma was that he was already at the peak, so if your at the peak there is no more to do other than he stayed on the teach or guide or help as his role of a Guru..That was determinef by him and his will, Free Will again!

In more simple terms, I can choose not to reply again on this thread or too continue to reply, that choice is up to me...

Edited 13 hours ago by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

The basic capability of a Human Being is Free Will, its just that nobody knows this, the majority are karma ruled and predetermined unfortunately due to societal conditioning and elites ruling us, lucky we have Guru's that teach us otherwise..