I`m Confused WIth Free Will

[RisingLane]

I will make this my signature as soon as I can.

[Ishanga]

49 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

I will make this my signature as soon as I can.

Everything is predetermined after the Moment goes by (this moment was inevitable), before that nothing is predetermine when it comes to Human Nature or how You feel within Yourself or the decisions You make, which largely depends on how Conscious You are, low Consciousness means no access to Free Will, High Consciousness means Free Will is now in Your Control!  The cavet is Karma, Karma rules most ppl, Karma is like Software in Your computer, it allows You to do many things but its limiting You and controlling You as well, via conditioning and habits/tendencies developed, High Consciousness solves all of this!

[RisingLane]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Everything is predetermined after the Moment goes by (this moment was inevitable), before that nothing is predetermine when it comes to Human Nature or how You feel within Yourself or the decisions You make, which largely depends on how Conscious You are, low Consciousness means no access to Free Will, High Consciousness means Free Will is now in Your Control!  The cavet is Karma, Karma rules most ppl, Karma is like Software in Your computer, it allows You to do many things but its limiting You and controlling You as well, via conditioning and habits/tendencies developed, High Consciousness solves all of this!

What determines a person’s level of consciousness? The truth is, nothing is really under your control—not even whether you’re in a low or high state of consciousness. As you said, everything is governed by karma, and higher consciousness doesn’t change that. There’s really nothing to solve. Karma is simply conditioning—like your heart being conditioned to beat—and that’s not something that needs solving.

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, RisingLane said:

What determines a person’s level of consciousness? The truth is, nothing is really under your control—not even whether you’re in a low or high state of consciousness. As you said, everything is governed by karma, and higher consciousness doesn’t change that. There’s really nothing to solve. Karma is simply conditioning—like your heart being conditioned to beat—and that’s not something that needs solving.

On the contrary, with a Higher State of Consciousness attained one can dissolve or not be affected by their Karma, its called Enlightenment, problem is the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of Physical Death is the same for most, only Guru's of a certain kind stay on, they consciously create karma or they are masters of their energy systems.. If You master Your Energy system You can 100% determine Your destiny, when You die (other than an accident), if You are reborn and into what body, or if You merge with Absolute!

What determines a person's level of Consciousness? Well its not done from someone looking at someone else and making the determination, its an internal thing and You will know it definitely when it happens, its not a small Experience to have happen to You:)

Edited December 11, 2025 by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

On the contrary, with a Higher State of Consciousness attained one can dissolve or not be affected by their Karma, its called Enlightenment, problem is the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of Physical Death is the same for most, only Guru's of a certain kind stay on, they consciously create karma or they are masters of their energy systems..

Sure, but when and how does a person reach higher states of consciousness? It ultimately just comes down to luck. What happened to Ramana, for example, was quite fortunate. It seems he didn’t have much karma.

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What determines a person's level of Consciousness? Well its not done from someone looking at someone else and making the determination, its an internal thing and You will know it definitely when it happens, its not a small Experience to have happen to You:)

I think a person's level of consciousness is determined by luck. Luck swallows everything.

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Sure, but when and how does a person reach higher states of consciousness? It ultimately just comes down to luck. What happened to Ramana, for example, was quite fortunate. It seems he didn’t have much karma.

I think a person's level of consciousness is determined by luck. Luck swallows everything.

Yoga, Taoism, Buddhism, the Eastern Methods are the most effective imo, but some use gnostic stuff and other esoteric methods, there are lots of ways to Enlightenment that are time proven and tested (thousands of Years old)..

Ramana's karma from what I can tell is that he was basically born the way he was, born to be already Enlightened or close to it...

[RisingLane]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yoga, Taoism, Buddhism, the Eastern Methods are the most effective imo, but some use gnostic stuff and other esoteric methods, there are lots of ways to Enlightenment that are time proven and tested (thousands of Years old)..

Yes, you can practice if you are determined, but how far you will go or if you will succeed is not in your control. This is the essence of determinism.

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Ramana's karma from what I can tell is that he was basically born the way he was, born to be already Enlightened or close to it...

Hence, determinism.

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Yes, you can practice if you are determined, but how far you will go or if you will succeed is not in your control. This is the essence of determinism.

Hence, determinism.

With the practice part of the eastern systems, they don't "make" you enlightened, they just erase all the crap that is preventing You from Realizing it now, it takes most of the karma away, its up to You if You want to go all the way, most just stay below the Enlightenment stage, they like life the way it here and choose to stay, Free Will again rules!

With Ramana it wasn't determinism once again, his karma was that he was already at the peak, so if your at the peak there is no more to do other than he stayed on the teach or guide or help as his role of a Guru..That was determinef by him and his will, Free Will again!

In more simple terms, I can choose not to reply again on this thread or too continue to reply, that choice is up to me...

Edited December 11, 2025 by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

The basic capability of a Human Being is Free Will, its just that nobody knows this, the majority are karma ruled and predetermined unfortunately due to societal conditioning and elites ruling us, lucky we have Guru's that teach us otherwise..

[SimpleGuy]

17 hours ago, Ishanga said:

The basic capability of a Human Being is Free Will, its just that nobody knows this, the majority are karma ruled and predetermined unfortunately due to societal conditioning and elites ruling us, lucky we have Guru's that teach us otherwise..

Leo teaches that we have no free will.

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, SimpleGuy said:

Leo teaches that we have no free will.

He also says I am a figment of his imagination, I beg to differ, as I do with his opinion about Free Will..

Once Predetermination exist, Free Will has to Exist as well and visa versa, its like this with most everything, Absolute/God is a Potential/Possibility making machine, its up to You as a Human (make choices) as to how to navigate this sort of Reality where most any Possibility can come to fruition! 

If Free Will does not exist for You then life will turn out a certain way, karma will rule You, if You think Free Will exists and can access it, then life will go in any direction You want it too, unless an accident happens and you die which you or no one has any control over, other than what happens after You die!

[RisingLane]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

He also says I am a figment of his imagination,

You're not a figment of his imagination; he is a figment of yours. There’s a big difference.

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, RisingLane said:

You're not a figment of his imagination; he is a figment of yours. There’s a big difference.

He's imagining Me, I am Imagining Him,,,It makes no sense too me why anyone would buy into this way of belief or understanding how life is but to each their own:) Taking psychedelics and then coming out of it thinking this is the Reality of Life, well I can take coke and think I am superman, does that mean that is reality? NO!

Edited December 12, 2025 by Ishanga

[RisingLane]

The best explanation I’ve heard for why our lack of free will doesn’t make life meaningless, but instead makes it more meaningful.

[SimpleGuy]

1 hour ago, RisingLane said:

The best explanation I’ve heard for why our lack of free will doesn’t make life meaningless, but instead makes it more meaningful.

Thanks bratik

[Matty1]

Free-will is just obviously not true even from a basic logical perspective. We use it a short-hand for "Will" but because the language of it includes "free" we usually assume we're free to do anything any time we want (behaviorally). This is simply not true: there is wiggle room for decision but ultimately most of our decisions come from who we are, which is shaped by our past. A serial killer is not some generic entity that could've chosen any action and chose to kill people, they were shaped by their environment to the point where killing seemed like a good idea.
As for whether you're ultimately responsible for your actions... Personal responsibility is mostly a useful heuristic we use to reason about individuals. I'd say you're actually way less than 1% responsible for your own actions in an absolute sense (with the biggest responsibility going to God Himself if you want to believe that (he literally set up the system this way), second goes to society as a whole (mostly the past)), etc. Philosophically and spiritually, you, and all people for that matter, are NOT at all responsible for your/their own actions. As for what's practical and actually actionable for yourself, you're mostly responsible for your own actions since that's the only thing you can meaningfully have control over. You can't use philosophy to reason yourself out of the need for personal action, but you can use it to alleviate the burden of being angry at people for things they had no ultimate control over (which is pretty much everything).

Edited December 26, 2025 by Matty1

[RisingLane]

Pragmatically, you’re responsible. Existentially, everything is forgiven—no matter what’s happened or what you’ve done. But in practical terms, you still have to cover the costs if you’re in a car crash, even if it ultimately wasn’t your fault.

[SimpleGuy]

42 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

Pragmatically, you’re responsible. Existentially, everything is forgiven—no matter what’s happened or what you’ve done. But in practical terms, you still have to cover the costs if you’re in a car crash, even if it ultimately wasn’t your fault.

yeah thank you. I now believe more in compatibilism

[RisingLane]

12 minutes ago, SimpleGuy said:

yeah thank you. I now believe more in compatibilism

"Compatibilism is a cop out." - John Searle

[Entrepreneur]

On 11/7/2025 at 3:36 AM, SimpleGuy said:

Hello. Please, help me resolve this issue of free will.

I watched old Leo`s video about Free Will vs Determinism where he claims that Free Will doesn`t exist. But how does that works with 100% responsibility for your life?

If Free Will doesn`t exist, it means we are not responsible for our lives, thus we are victims, aren`t we?

I really tried to contemplate this issue, but I have only that conclusion above. So it`s quite hard for me to do any work because if free will doesn`t exist, everything will flow it`s own way.

Thanks for reading.

Have you ever thought about something and then made a decision about it?

If you didn't have the ability to choose your response, then why would humans ever have been granted the ability to think about how they should respond or how they should have responded?

Your decisions are rooted in both logical reasoning, using your prefrontal cortex, as well as emotions (using your amygdala).   These two sources steer you one way or another when making decisions, with emotions typically overpowering logical reasoning.

Your decisions are the single most powerful factor determining your circumstances in life.   The better your decisions are, the less pain you feel, the more satisfaction and contentment you feel.   

If you choose to believe you have zero control over your choices, circumstances, and outcomes, your choices will most likely suck donkey balls.   If you choose to believe you do have control over your choices, circumstances, and outcomes, your choices will likely be far superior.

There are many things that drastically impact and affect your life that are outside of your control, including your parents and family who shaped many of your early beliefs in life, and the circumstances you were born into.  There will be many terrible and unfortunate things that happen in your life that are outside of your control such as diseases based on your genetics, tragic accidents, the deaths of loved ones, lethal storms, etc.

But the one thing that remains within your control is your choices (if you so choose to exercise control over them).   So, choose wisely if you hope to reach the top of Maslow's Pyramid.  There is no guarantee you will get there even if you try, but you can try to steer it that way.   Or you can just throw your hands up and let random happenstance decide whether you wake up blissful and content one morning or live like a crack head on the streets of San Francisco.