I was a Christian yesterday

[TruthFreedom]

Today I explored being a gangster.

Does anyone find that through doing spiritual work they are left with a completely fluid identity, through which all archetypes can manifest?

[Salvijus]

When you identify with love, you lose interest to be anything else. That's what being a Christ means. 

Edited Sunday at 07:53 PM by Salvijus

[TruthFreedom]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

When you identify with love, you lose interest to be anything else. That's what Christ means. 

Love isn't an identity. I was speaking more in terms of personality and core values. Like, the fact that there is no real "me", means I can explore completely different identities with different personalities and values, meaning I can be a soft, gentle, spiritual person one day, and the next I can change into a serial killer. This could be construed as dissociative identity disorder, but that flies out the window when awareness is brought into the equation.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

Love isn't an identity

It is an identity. 

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

I was speaking more in terms of personality and core values

Your core value should be love. 

[TruthFreedom]

@Salvijus There should be no "should's" else your leading us into dogma.

[Salvijus]

@TruthFreedom let me rephrase it then:

"it's wise to value only what is true, and only love is. But you are free to be stupid also" 

Edited Sunday at 08:02 PM by Salvijus

[TruthFreedom]

Plus love isn't a "value", it is an energy, 

when you construe Love as a value, it becomes some kind of mechanical, unnatural call to action.

I went to church today. People in church do not love naturally, they do it out of some obligation

Edited Sunday at 08:04 PM by TruthFreedom

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

Plus love isn't a "value", it is an energy, 

when you construe Love as a value, it becomes some kind of mechanical, unnatural call to action.

There's a video Leo made, why truth is the highest value. Truth = love. 

[TruthFreedom]

@Salvijus

I am above Leo in terms of anything spiritual.

*waits for cat meme

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

@Salvijus

I am above Leo in terms of anything spiritual.

*waits for cat meme

Hmm, he's right about that one thing still. Value is just what you value. You can turn anything into a value, even poo. 

[TruthFreedom]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Hmm, he's right about that one thing still. Value is just what you value. You can turn anything into a value, even poo. 

Explain in short summary how Love and Truth are synonymous.

[Dodo]

13 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Love isn't an identity. I was speaking more in terms of personality and core values. Like, the fact that there is no real "me", means I can explore completely different identities with different personalities and values, meaning I can be a soft, gentle, spiritual person one day, and the next I can change into a serial killer. This could be construed as dissociative identity disorder, but that flies out the window when awareness is brought into the equation.

Loool ok dude you need to chill. Its not pick and choose identity, there's just isness. You and me are the same isness. Being a serial killer is incredibly low consciousness, its not an identity,  its something that a person does when they are mentally ill. 

[TruthFreedom]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Loool ok dude you need to chill. Its not pick and choose identity, there's just isness. You and me are the same isness. Being a serial killer is incredibly low consciousness, its not an identity,  its something that a person does when they are mentally ill. 

I would posit that mental illness does not exist. Mental illness is based on the idea that there is an outside world which everyone can agree on, when in fact everything is subjective.

[Dodo]

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It is an identity. 

Your core value should be love. 

 

13 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

@Salvijus There should be no "should's" else your leading us into dogma.

Gura approved 👌 🙌 😆 

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Explain in short summary how Love and Truth are synonymous.

Love is union and oneness is the truth of reality, this truth is what you are, it's your identity and only this truth has value, every other perception of reality is false and therefor has no value. Every other identity is valueless aswell. 

Edited Sunday at 08:22 PM by Salvijus

[TruthFreedom]

Love is more basic than that. I would posit that Love is Love, it has no synonyms.

You run into problems when you complicate and intellectualise something as basic as Love

Edited Sunday at 08:24 PM by TruthFreedom

[Dodo]

Lets snap out of it. Yesterday and today you are the same you. This is fact. Why do you need to be so and so, why not just be? 

Edited Sunday at 08:25 PM by Dodo

[Salvijus]

22 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Love is more basic than that. I would posit that Love is Love, it has no synonyms.

There is no love where the truth of our shared union is in denial. If you contemplate the indication here, truth and love are inseparable. 

Edited Sunday at 08:44 PM by Salvijus

[TruthFreedom]

@Dodo

I am just "being"

I "be" all the time.

It gets boring. Then I come here.

You're right though. If we were at, for example, a Buddhist retreat, would we feel compelled to even speak?

On a forum like this, we have to discuss things, otherwise there would be no forum.

"Those who speak do not know. Those who know do not speak" - who said that?

Edited Sunday at 08:30 PM by TruthFreedom

[Dodo]

50 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

@Dodo

I am just "being"

I "be" all the time.

It gets boring. Then I come here.

You're right though. If we were at, for example, a Buddhist retreat, would we feel compelled to even speak?

On a forum like this, we have to discuss things, otherwise there would be no forum.

"Those who speak do not know. Those who know do not speak" - who said that?

I know another saying. 

If I speak I tell a lie. But if I don't speak, I'm a coward.

Lets remove the quotation marks from be and being. Being doesnt get boring just like you're not bored in deep sleep. Even boredom and the coming here is an expression of being.  

No doer just the doing itself appears, thats awareness, not a failure to be aware. Its not a failure to being that there is doing happening. 

It's all awareness, Halleluja! All experience points to the fact of isness itself. That's what I want to celebrate with you 

Edited Sunday at 09:22 PM by Dodo