I see only You

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's very possible to talk about this if you really understand it. 

Yes I agree. It’s all about listening and then fully understanding what’s being heard. 
 

It’s never about the messenger, it’s always about the message, which can appear to be incoherent or it can appear as the most astonishing coherent clarity. Ultimately, it’s about “understanding”, and being able to make up your own mind according to the individual’s acceptance of what is being understood, by means of how it feels for them personally.

We have no access to other people’s understandings,  so it’s pointless to even dismiss other people’s understandings.

 

We can only know ourself. My belief is that every single one of us is capable of being in absolute perfect alignment with the real truth of how “only being” is able to be recognised by each and every one of us.

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes I agree. It’s all about listening and then fully understanding what’s being heard. 
 

It’s never about the messenger, it’s always about the message, which can appear to be incoherent or it can appear as the most astonishing coherent clarity. Ultimately, it’s about “understanding”, and being able to make up your own mind according to the individual’s acceptance of what is being understood, by means of how it feels for them personally.

We have no access to other people’s understandings,  so it’s pointless to even dismiss other people’s understandings.

 

We can only know ourself. My belief is that every single one of us is capable of being in absolute perfect alignment with the real truth of how “only being” is able to be recognised by each and every one of us.

Many people say that reality can't be expressed in coherent explanations, only in koans.  This is just because they don't understand anything , but they have a kind of feeling that in their opinion is enlightenment and as they need that status, they convince themselves about it and try to convince anyone 

Edited Wednesday at 09:02 AM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Many people say that reality can't be expressed in coherent explanations, only in koans.  This is just because they don't understand anything , but they have a kind of feeling that in their opinion is enlightenment and as they need that status, they convince themselves about it and try to convince anyone 

I think that once our own personal opinions about understanding the nature of self is fully recognised and understood, then they usually cannot be changed by another, once their mind is made up so to speak. Ultimately it’s the individual that changes it’s own mind, and not another person changing it.

 

I personally have no interest in convincing anyone else about what I understand, and that it is what they should understand too. I never would dream of saying to someone else that their personal understanding shouldn’t be like that. That’s just arrogance.

 

What I do believe is that we’re each and everyone of us capable of arriving at the pure understanding of what self-actualisation is. I also believe that no one has to be convinced by another, nor try to be the convincer to another.

As the truth is in all of us, whether we choose to know it or not, it doesn’t actually matter or change the truth.. 

I can’t be bothered listening to people who tell others they are on the wrong track, or that they ought not to listen to so and so, or that they are still suffering, as if they could possibly know the true mind of what another is able to understand. 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 👍 Nice. 

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What I do believe is that we’re each and everyone of us capable of arriving at the pure understanding of what self-actualisation is. I also believe that no one has to be convinced by another, nor try to be the convincer to another.

It's very easy to see when someone is wrong, the issue of suffering is not relevant, but if you are trying to place yourself in an absolute perspective of existence and what you do is place yourself in another supposedly broader relative position, it is clearly seen and there is no ambivalence about whether your personal opinion is valid or not, it is a dual perspective, and if you say that it is absolute, it is wrong.

[Mellowmarsh]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's very easy to see when someone is wrong, the issue of suffering is not relevant, but if you are trying to place yourself in an absolute perspective of existence and what you do is place yourself in another supposedly broader relative position, it is clearly seen and there is no ambivalence about whether your personal opinion is valid or not, it is a dual perspective, and if you say that it is absolute, it is wrong.

You cannot even claim an absolute position on any opinion, because absolute implies relative which like you said is a dual perspective. So even relative ideas about the absolute is absurdism.