Thoughts about Zionism and Antisemitism ?

[PurpleTree]

So i watched a video in my feed which talked about Zionism and Antisemitism in the Netherlands mostly. 

And it claimed Zionism doesn’t work without Antisemitism. Because it’s the antisemitism which causes Jewish people to want to have their own safe country. For example the more antisemitism in Europe and the US the more Jewish people will want to move to Israel.

Now this „conflict“ in Gaza will cause much more anti Israeli sentiment in Europe and the US. Does it mean many will want to move to Israel? 

But Israel isn’t really safe either with ongoing wars.

[Lyubov]

I heard there is a record number of Jewish USA citizens returning from Israel (those that got this second citizenship). They definitely aren’t doing it due to safety. White Jews blend in with all other white people. It’s pure ideology, at least for Jews from the USA. 

[PurpleTree]

38 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I heard there is a record number of Jewish USA citizens returning from Israel (those that got this second citizenship). They definitely aren’t doing it due to safety. White Jews blend in with all other white people. It’s pure ideology, at least for Jews from the USA. 

Yea it would be interesting to see those numbers. I think our best bet to kind of counter zionism. Is to make Jews feel safe in the west. The video was going more indepth about the zionism antisemitism connection, also some stuff in the video i didn’t agree with. But now i can’t find it. 

[Lyubov]

35 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea it would be interesting to see those numbers. I think our best bet to kind of counter zionism. Is to make Jews feel safe in the west. The video was going more indepth about the zionism antisemitism connection, also some stuff in the video i didn’t agree with. But now i can’t find it. 

Jews are safe in the west. It’s pure victim mentality and ideology running the Zionist show. I’m Jewish and I appear white and blend with every other white person in the USA. Unless you were shot in a mass shooting at a synagogue you really have nothing to worry about and statistically speaking that is just bad luck. Zionism is a sort of colonialism to satisfy a biblical ideology where white European and American Jews think they were promised land 3000 years ago. That’s ideology. They have lied to themselves and warped a narrative to throw out all sensible layers and facets to their foundation that they therefor have to now live out this crazy fantasy of being god’s chosen people and having to rebuild some kingdom their holy book promised to them 3000 years ago. 

Edited Thursday at 02:01 PM by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

Israel is a colonial state justified through revisionist history, lies, victim mentality and a warping of sensibilities any rational/moderate person would not apply to their world view otherwise. Israel has to reach for justification somehow, how else would Europeans distantly removed over 800 years have a claim to land thousands of kilometers from where they are from? “God’s chosen people”, “This land was promised to us 3000 years ago”, it’s an extreme form of ideological perversion by spinning a really crazy story, reaching for baseless evidence through emotion and mythology, people eat it up because it’s under the guise of their religion. If you tried to justify mistreating other people in your daily life by doing this you would be labeled mad, delusional a compulsive liar. So you can’t make people like this feel safe because statistically they aren’t in any more danger than the rest of us. It’s ideology and that will eventually crumble. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Israel is a colonial state justified through revisionist history, lies, victim mentality and a warping of sensibilities any rational/moderate person would not apply to their world view otherwise. Israel has to reach for justification somehow, how else would Europeans distantly removed over 800 years have a claim to land thousands of kilometers from where they are from? “God’s chosen people”, “This land was promised to us 3000 years ago”, it’s an extreme form of ideological perversion by spinning a really crazy story, reaching for baseless evidence through emotion and mythology, people eat it up because it’s under the guise of their religion. If you tried to justify mistreating other people in your daily life by doing this you would be labeled mad, delusional a compulsive liar. So you can’t make people like this feel safe because statistically they aren’t in any more danger than the rest of us. It’s ideology and that will eventually crumble. 

Have you been to Israel?

[PurpleTree]

Gosh i can’t find the video now it’s annoying.

It was in English, i think it was by a Iranian/Dutch theatre guy.

Documentary style-ish

about Zionism Antisemitism, included Bob Vylan and a dutch singer.

[Lyubov]

47 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Have you been to Israel?

No never. I almost became a citizen though during COVID, they have a program for naturalizing if you are Jewish and it’s a form of lobbying the USA by getting middle class white Jews to become a citizen, way of getting soft power on the USA. It’s called Aliyah, it’s a joke itself as well. They have no way of actually proving who is Jewish or not so just having a letter written by your Rabi counts, doesn’t even have to be notarize or anything. A lot of wealthy Russians manufacture proof they have Jewish relatives in order to get the citizenship as well. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

No never. I almost became a citizen though during COVID, they have a program for naturalizing if you are Jewish and it’s a form of lobbying the USA by getting middle class white Jews to become a citizen, way of getting soft power on the USA. It’s called Aliyah, it’s a joke itself as well. They have no way of actually proving who is Jewish or not so just having a letter written by your Rabi counts, doesn’t even have to be notarize or anything. A lot of wealthy Russians manufacture proof they have Jewish relatives in order to get the citizenship as well. 

Yea i was in Israel once. And met many of those Jewish Americans at the hostel who their trip was paid for by Israel.