Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

How can there be a self that isn't  

Why? A self is totally logical, very simple. Where do you see a paradox?

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why? A self is totally logical, very simple. Where do you see a paradox?

Well let me ask you. Where do you spot paradox? I spot it almost everywhere.  But I want your take. 

[Inliytened1]

@Breakingthewall what's the matter. Cat got your tongue  

[Breakingthewall]

57 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well let me ask you. Where do you spot paradox? I spot it almost everywhere.  But I want your take. 

Paradox doesn't exist, only lack of understanding. If you see a paradox means that you didn't understand the coherence of the system 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Paradox doesn't exist, only lack of understanding. If you see a paradox means that you didn't understand the coherence of the system 

But the word paradox indicates it can exist.  

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[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But the word paradox indicates it can exist.  

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Paradoxes are ideas that are not paradoxical as ideas since they exist, but what they describe cannot exist. That's why are paradoxes. 

Paradox means incoherence, and incoherence only exist as an idea, as a conceptual model. 

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[Breakingthewall]

@Inliytened1 what paradox is real, for example?

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Inliytened1 what paradox is real, for example?

There must be paradox in a finite world  just think about it.  Where did existence come from? If it came from itself that must be paradoxical.   For cause how could anything come from itself?

[Willy Phallicus]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Paradox means incoherence

Paradox means something that's sounds totally illogical and beyond reason but ends up being true anyway.

Like how nothing creates everything and is both nothing and everything at the same time.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

There must be paradox in a finite world  just think about it.  Where did existence come from? If it came from itself that must be paradoxical.   For cause how could anything come from itself?

Because existence doesn't came from, it is because nothing limits it.

It is not caused, just is. Absolutely inevitable 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Like how nothing creates everything and is both nothing and everything at the same time

Nothing doesn't exist except as an idea. There is not nothing, then there is not paradox

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Because existence doesn't came from, it is because nothing limits it.

It is not caused, just is. Absolutely inevitable 

Yes but if you use logic, then you would have to explain it away. Would you not?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes but if you use logic, then you would have to explain it away. Would you not?

Yes, I already did. Reality is because there are not limits. No limits are not the cause or reality, are what reality is. Then reality never started, it hasn't a source because it would be a limit, it is and that's everything. There is zero paradox, absolutely logical. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, I already did. Reality is because there are not limits. No limits are not the cause or reality, are what reality is. Then reality never started, it hasn't a source because it would be a limit, it is and that's everything. There is zero paradox, absolutely logical. 

Yout limit IS logic. See what you are saying to a scientist would not compute. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yout limit IS logic. See what you are saying to a scientist would not compute. 

Science don't ask why reality exist but how it operates

[Willy Phallicus]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nothing doesn't exist except as an idea. There is not nothing, then there is not paradox

Matter is made up of imaginary particles.  This conversation isn't really happening in a material world somewhere.  Its both happening and not happening at the same time, that's the genius of it.  Its also paradoxical as fuck.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Science don't ask why reality exist but how it operates

That's a big problem then isn't it 

Look paradox, or contradiction.  Hell whatever you want to call it. It's inevitable because existence itself spawned from itself.  Resulting in the ultimate strange loop.  Yet it still comes back to you. Fucking somehow.  Reality amazes me every fucking day. Each day 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

inevitable because existence itself spawned from itself. 

Existence didn't spawn, just is. It's not paradoxical at all, it's absolutely inevitable and logical 

 

6 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Matter is made up of imaginary particles.  This conversation isn't really happening in a material world somewhere.  Its both happening and not happening at the same time, that's the genius of it.  Its also paradoxical as fuck.

How do you know that?

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Existence didn't spawn, just is. L

That's identical.

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Existence didn't spawn, just is. It's not paradoxical at all, it's absolutely inevitable and logical 

That is completely illogical. Please use science then to explain.  If you cannot then your explanation is beyond rational.  Notice I said beyond. 

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's identical.

That is completely illogical. Please use science then to explain.  If you cannot then your explanation is beyond rational.  Notice I said beyond. 

For example this: If the void is not contained or bounded, it is impossible for it to remain in a stable, flat state eternally, because then it would be limited to a flat state without fluctuation. Fluctuation occurs because it is a possibility; it is a breaking of symmetry that unfolds in a coherent equation that ultimately results in zero, a cycle that begins at zero and ends at zero and starts again and unfolds In infinite possibilities. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall