The fallacy of self help

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

 

Do you SAY this based on mental concepts or do you FEEL the openness?

If the latter, are there ups and downs or is it constant feeling?

It's not about mental concept or feeling, it's what you are. 

Let's see, imagine you take something like 300 mcg of LSD. Then, instead of trying to understand what reality is like, what the deep cause-effect relationships are, why you feel that way, you instead try to position yourself in a perspective where everything is the same in form, one thing being the same as another. Then the infinity of relationships flattens out, and only the substance that creates those relationships remains. Nothing means anything (from that perspective). It doesn't matter if you've taken 1,000 ug of LSD. You don't interpret anything. There is no future or past, only the substance of reality. Then you see it with absolute clarity. Reality is no longer perceived longitudinally, as a process, and is seen as unfathomable depth. You are the unfathomable depth; you are total reality, the reality is limitlessness and limitlessness is everything. You don't wonder or cry or anything like that, because if you did, it means you were operating at the comparative level. You are the total abyss of existence, and the total abyss neither cries nor wonders; it is total. You are total; you have no limit; it is always this; you are absolutely free, and freedom is felt as total ecstasy, like a physical liberation ,because the chains have been broken. All contraction disappears; all interpretation is seen as something that happens; it means nothing; nothing means anything, because there is no limit; you are, period.

Then you are back in the cause effect relationship and you are trapped again in it, but if you really want you can go again and again in that perspective until you can do it at will, any moment without drugs . Then you can understand from the relational perspective how everything works much more clear because you can detach yourself from that sistem

Edited June 30 by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not about mental concept or feeling, it's what you are. 

Let's see, imagine you take something like 300 mcg of LSD. Then, instead of trying to understand what reality is like, what the deep cause-effect relationships are, why you feel that way, you instead try to position yourself in a perspective where everything is the same in form, one thing being the same as another. Then the infinity of relationships flattens out, and only the substance that creates those relationships remains. Nothing means anything (from that perspective). It doesn't matter if you've taken 1,000 ug of LSD. You don't interpret anything. There is no future or past, only the substance of reality. Then you see it with absolute clarity. Reality is no longer perceived longitudinally, as a process, and is seen as unfathomable depth. You are the unfathomable depth; you are total reality, the reality is limitlessness and limitlessness is everything. You don't wonder or cry or anything like that, because if you did, it means you were operating at the comparative level. You are the total abyss of existence, and the total abyss neither cries nor wonders; it is total. You are total; you have no limit; it is always this; you are absolutely free, and freedom is felt as total ecstasy, like a physical liberation ,because the chains have been broken. All contraction disappears; all interpretation is seen as something that happens; it means nothing; nothing means anything, because there is no limit; you are, period.

Then you are back in the cause effect relationship and you are trapped again in it, but if you really want you can go again and again in that perspective until you can do it at will, any moment without drugs . Then you can understand from the relational perspective how everything works much more clear because you can detach yourself from that sistem

Ok, I can follow. I am aware that I am that process. 

Question is: how's your personal experience? Your chains are broken, you feel this ecstasy you describe? Sometimes? Anytime? You have control or it just happens. 

You say if you really want, you can go back. This is what you are doing, at will?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

Ok, I can follow. I am aware that I am that process. 

Question is: how's your personal experience? Your chains are broken, you feel this ecstasy you describe? Sometimes? Anytime? You have control or it just happens. 

You say if you really want, you can go back. This is what you are doing, at will?

For me it's simple, my family was a hell of premium level destructive addicted, my mental structure was basically rage, shame and hate, obviously trying to get out of there but it was impossible, there was always a background of that absolutely all the time, then you see there are two possibilities, commit suicide or get out of there. Self-help tricks don't work, since obviously I've tried them, I'm not a lazy person, I've tried all kinds of things, because I was afraid of people I've boxed with guys from Eastern Europe who work in clubs and want to kill you hundreds of times, because I needed control I crossed the Atlantic in a sailboat that looked like destroyed sailing alone, through the north with lightning and 10m waves, twice, once I was in mental loop and I bought a 2k motorcycle without experience in traveling by moto and I went alone from Madrid to Senegal and back without sleeping in a hotel, on the ground and without knowing anything about the place, just to see if I could get out of the loop, and I couldn't. many more things, all kinds of rather extreme things, nothing works, your structure of hate is still there, inevitable, solid, that's who you are, you can't escape. So all that's left is to turn inward and go through it, you can't fool yourself because hate will whisper in your ear all the time. You can only break your structure until nothing remains and open yourself to the total substance of what you are, there is no deception possible. Then, as I did and I do now quite easy and I ve zero contraction, anxiety, disfuncional behavior, lack, mental mess, just openess, clean experience all time, I think I understood quite good how this game works and maybe I could explain not bad how it is without get trapped in the usual spiritual traps

Edited June 30 by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me it's simple, my family was a hell of premium level destructive addicted, my mental structure was basically rage, shame and hate, obviously trying to get out of there but it was impossible, there was always a background of that absolutely all the time, then you see there are two possibilities, commit suicide or get out of there. Self-help tricks don't work, since obviously I've tried them, I'm not a lazy person, I've tried all kinds of things, because I was afraid of people I've boxed with guys from Eastern Europe who work in clubs and want to kill you hundreds of times, because I needed control I crossed the Atlantic in a sailboat that looked like destroyed sailing alone, through the north with lightning and 10m waves, twice, once I was in mental loop and I bought a 2k motorcycle without experience in traveling by moto and I went alone from Madrid to Senegal and back without sleeping in a hotel, on the ground and without knowing anything about the place, just to see if I could get out of the loop, and I couldn't. many more things, all kinds of rather extreme things, nothing works, your structure of hate is still there, inevitable, solid, that's who you are, you can't escape. So all that's left is to turn inward and go through it, you can't fool yourself because hate will whisper in your ear all the time. You can only break your structure until nothing remains and open yourself to the total substance of what you are, there is no deception possible. Then, as I did and I do now quite easy and I ve zero contraction, anxiety, disfuncional behavior, lack, mental mess, just openess, clean experience all time, I think I understood quite good how this game works and maybe I could explain not bad how it is without get trapped in the usual spiritual traps

Thanks for sharing 🙏 

And congratulations for breaking the loop, happy things are going well for you now

Edited June 30 by theleelajoker

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

And congratulations for breaking the loop,

That movement is not breaking a loop, requires real openess, if not it never works, there is no possible deception here, if you are suffering, it isn't , if there is lack, same. Most of us have an structure of suffering, dissolve it is the real game . Very clear and without doubt 

Edited July 1 by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

 

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That movement is not breaking a loop, requires real openess, if not it never works, there is no possible deception here, if you are suffering, it isn't , if there is lack, same. Most of us have an structure of suffering, dissolve it is the real game . Very clear and without doubt 

Let's keep going:)

Lots of suffering left for me and the world