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[CoolDreamThanks]

Personally (haha), the biggest misconception that I had was that enlightenment would be ultra magical and glorious, like those states on psychedelics. Wah wah, that's just a fantasy of the separate self. And it did cause a lot of misery, a lot of seeking to somehow "lock in" those states. I remember thinking pleeease, I would do anything to be in those glorious states; I need it! So much seeking energy, haha. The non-seeking state is actually pretty pleasant, not glorious or anything, just free and pleasant.  

[Salvijus]

15 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

Personally (haha), the biggest misconception that I had was that enlightenment would be ultra magical and glorious, like those states on psychedelics. Wah wah, that's just a fantasy of the separate self. And it did cause a lot of misery, a lot of seeking to somehow "lock in" those states. I remember thinking pleeease, I would do anything to be in those glorious states; I need it! So much seeking energy, haha. The non-seeking state is actually pretty pleasant, not glorious or anything, just free and pleasant.  

Idk, I personally still believe in those states. Even the state where all seeking ends I imagine to be pretty dope, magical and intense. Not just small relaxation that you get from something like a massage, haha. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:32 PM by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

17 hours ago, Salvijus said:

It seems to me, in order to have the insight that the I AM is an illusion, there needs to be a deeper awareness that makes that recognition. But it's still awareness. It's still the I AM. I wonder if that makes sense. 

It doesn't matter because it's still the Absolute appearing as the I AM awareness that had the insight. It's not that it's a separate I AM or a separate awareness that would know it's not separate, and you're right, there would have to be something that knows that; it's just that it would still be the Absolute appearing as knowing, the I AM and the awareness of knowing that knows that. It's inescapable and there's no difference between the one that knows this and the one that doesn't because it's not really happening anyway. Loved the conversation between you two. Just thought I'd chime in with my two-cents.

 

[Princess Arabia]

16 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Idk, I personally still believe in those states. Even the state where all seeking ends I imagine to be pretty dope, magical and intense. Not just small relaxation that you get from something like a massage, haha. 

It's not a state. There's no one to know that the seeking ended and then to have feelings of magic and intensity. If there's someone there that feels the magic, dopeness and intensity, there's still a seeker there. When the seeking ends, the seeker falls away also and it's revealed there was never any "real" seeking that was even happening. There really is no seeker.

Edited Tuesday at 01:41 PM by Princess Arabia

[CoolDreamThanks]

16 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Idk, I personally still believe in those states. Even the state where all seeking ends I imagine to be pretty dope, magical and intense. Not just small relaxation that you get from something like a massage, haha. 

Yeh those states can still happen, it’s just not something the seperate self can seek for and attain. The seeking would be the covering up of them if anything.

[CoolDreamThanks]

@Princess Arabia hi Princess! How are you?

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, CoolDreamThanks said:

@Princess Arabia hi Princess! How are you?

Hi, my love, hehe. Just thought I'd pop in.

[CoolDreamThanks]

24 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It doesn't matter because it's still the Absolute appearing as the I AM awareness that had the insight. It's not that it's a separate I AM or a separate awareness that would know it's not separate, and you're right, there would have to be something that knows that; it's just that it would still be the Absolute appearing as knowing, the I AM and the awareness of knowing that knows that. It's inescapable and there's no difference between the one that knows this and the one that doesn't because it's not really happening anyway. Loved the conversation between you two. Just thought I'd chime in with my two-cents.

 

Uu well said!
 
The “ I am” isn’t reaaally a seperate self, but non-duality appearing as a seeming duality.

Edited Tuesday at 01:58 PM by CoolDreamThanks

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

Uu well said!
 
The “ I am” isn’t reaaally a seperate self, but non-duality appearing as a seeming duality.

Yea, that's it. This is why it's said that this is already freedom and liberation but for no one as it can appear as anything.

Whatever is interpreted, as in I'm not free, is still that fucking absolute acting like it ain't free and coming here to earth looking to create chaos. Lmao.😅😅

[CoolDreamThanks]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yea, that's it. This is why it's said that this is already freedom and liberation but for no one as it can appear as anything.

Whatever is interpreted, as in I'm not free, is still that fucking absolute acting like it ain't free and coming here to earth looking to create chaos. Lmao.😅😅

I didn't know you know this much haha, nice! 

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no one to know that the seeking ended

What about awareness? 

[CoolDreamThanks]

So what is it? It's a recognition. 

“Enlightenment is but a recognition, not a change at all” (W-188.1:4).

Yeh so my understanding that the message of ACIM, Jim, and Advaita Vedanta is the same just keeps strengthening. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

What about awareness? 

No such thing. Only in appearance. The Absolute appearing as awareness. It's empty. There's nothing and no one being aware. If one says 'well ok, I won't do awareness exercises like being aware of being aware' or something like that, that's also the Absolute saying I will stop those exercises. Can't be escaped. Doesn't matter. 

[Salvijus]

49 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No such thing. Only in appearance. The Absolute appearing as awareness. It's empty. There's nothing and no one being aware

If awareness is only the appearance, then what is observing that appearance? 

Edited Tuesday at 07:30 PM by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

48 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If awareness is only the appearance, then what is observing that appearance? 

There's no observing of that appearance. There is observation, there is awareness and there is appearance. All three being the Absolute. It's like turning wood into fire then ash. The ash is the end result but all three are one. The time it took for the wood to turn into ash is still the Absolute being the time so no real time was involved. 

It's like the ash contains the wood, the fire and the time without those things being visible within the ash. That's what it means when we say time and space is illusory. The Absolute is the time and the space; so what you see appearing is also the Absolute being appearance.

Edited Tuesday at 08:06 PM by Princess Arabia

[CoolDreamThanks]

Trying this out at the club this weekend: 

 

[CoolDreamThanks]

Jim Newman says the “me” feeling is a contraction in a body, not only a belief. As far as I understand now, when the message begins to sink deeper and deeper then there’s a possibility for that me sense to drop away. 
 

I think i drops away when we go into deep sleep or deep meditation — in those formless realms — that’s why they are so pleasant. The me is really the main issue why it doesnt feel happy — the contraction is the obstacle.

[CoolDreamThanks]

It’s so funny and tragic at the same time for me to realise I can’t do anything to bring about liberation. If I try even a little, then that only brings me further away. But if I don’t do anything that still doesn’t undo me. I can’t self destruct. If life decides to dissolve the me feeling in me, then that happens, but I can’t do do it.  
 

Hahaha what a crazy joke this is 😁

[CoolDreamThanks]

But it also means I’m not responsible for anything - I’m just a part of wholeness and everything I did was it’s doing. Thats good. Innocence.  
 

It’s also still just empty images — just a meaningless dream. 
 

It’s also fun sometimes, I guess..  

The seperate self can’t judge anything accurately - it always takes a positionality and by definition it’s not the full picture. The full picture can’t be understood by me. So whenever I say life is good or bad or whatever I’m always wrong.

[Salvijus]

36 minutes ago, CoolDreamThanks said:

It’s so funny and tragic at the same time for me to realise I can’t do anything to bring about liberation. If I try even a little, then that only brings me further away. But if I don’t do anything that still doesn’t undo me. I can’t self destruct. If life decides to dissolve the me feeling in me, then that happens, but I can’t do do it.  
 

Hahaha what a crazy joke this is 😁

The contradiction of ego (self grasping and fear) will fall away when awareness increases. There are many ways to increase awareness. Like there are ways to remove hunger, so there are ways to undo contraction born of misperception. You can't say, "I can't remove hunger because the seeker doesn't exist", no just go to the store and buy the damn food. Or in other words, follow the instructions that rise conciousness and contraction will fall away more and more, misperceptions will get corrected more and more. See. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Salvijus