Guides, Alternatives and Definitions

[kavaris]

I heard a really nice definition for mysticism the other day— that is, its just > "acting on the impulse to love the divine"... that is— what it is presumably doing is "pointing to the mystery itself.." (neither on the side of Theism or Atheism—neither for or against a first cause, creativity activity of divine nature) rather its "emersing the mind in the love of the mystery around that"....

Thats a great way to put it right? Anyway, i had a couple different topics on my mind that i wanted to share, and that is like, this sortve backup/alternative lifestyle, and what we are suppose to do if we are still alive, still preferring things well into an awkward point

For, our life is suppose to be the hardest thing we'll ever have to go through—but then, all that, and we end up at the EOL, End of life experience, where we have to wane in to the ocean ... iuno its just bizarre.

And it takes too long, like, for instance if we are gonna like, wait, and wait, trying to die during old age, it takes a year to fully be dead dead, as thats what ive witnessed from a second hand perspective... and its horrible cause your bowels arent strong enough, etc, etc... thats the very last days.

So let us make that sequence not exist. What is happening, that the mind is like, lagging behind while the body is exiting?what is it we need to do to just... get it off, like a bandaid... "get off".. let me say "no" to everything, everyone... Let me die now, "do you want to die?" someone asks. "No." i say, as it dont make sense from an outside perspective, but, that "no" is in response to a higher order of stories happening, that which doesnt run w/ waking or dreaming, but a middle-of-the-sandwich area...

And in doing so (assuming youve now really embraced it from head to toe..) You will dream within the right context. That is, you are saying "No"... "No" to everyone, and then the "dream" (which is its own entity, sortve separated and blind to the unity you share to it)  has no choice but to recreate on the bounds of like, "no, just.. get it off", which that sentiment is like, only harmonious if you are fully embracing it, and sharing it with your dream; And kinda feels angelic to be in harmony, no discord, just you know... "Whatever happens, happens..." an angelic, special song of the heart sequence or something... like a ride... a secret death ride, one that brings everything close to a peaceful inbetween state, as its really difficult to get pulled apart entirely. Its unclear what being pulled apart even is, and how it works...Perhaps... we had no preference you know, as theres nothing to really prefer at some point, presuming everything feels alright.

The term "Alright" must itself be like, a VERY agile and expandable sentiment... its like, "alright"... And then, "Wooosh"!... Mystery. Well... anyway..., we shall see t'what should happen.

 

Edited January 15 by kavaris

[kavaris]

Being—"from the anticipation of an *Other*, and the initial direction of there being an other to treat in the first place"

It occurred to me that, this idea of *being*, and treating things around you as a sortve, non-personal thing (that is, where you are just seeing them for their silouette, and not for their content that requires more detail and attention) those two idea can come together. And then, theres an interesting idea about, the beingness of things around you, where they can now begin to *be* as they are.

How can we just *be*, without taking into consideration that everything else must *be*, too. Its probably a little weird to understand when phrased like that, but surely someone else will know what im talking about, and figure out a better way to phrase it. Its like, "the beingness of not just yourself and attitude about the external, but the idea of, a continued effort on the externals part to just *be*, without your input or thoughts happening in front of it, jabbing, or like, jostling back and forth on the issue, trying to examine it in detail. Cause you can have the idea of *beingness*, but what good is that if the outside is always considered as like, something that defies beingness. I might be talking in circles trying to explain it, but i guess, it kindve has to be seen for yourselves.

I think a good way to illustrate it, is to take the example of an app, where you have the "thumbnail" and the content that exists when you go beyond the thumbnail. So, usually it would be about what it appears to be, justified by the content. Now its like, forget about the content, what is the general idea inside of the thumbnail? What is it saying?.. and to some degree, what are you thinking thats making it feel that way? otherwise, youll go on presuming theres a quality to investigate about that thumbnail, and this is more so leaning away from that. Anyway... i hope yous got what i was tryina say. Feel free to figure out how to say it again in a way that makes more sense.

Edited January 16 by kavaris

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, kavaris said:

as thats what ive witnessed from a second hand perspective... and its horrible cause your bowels arent strong enough, etc, etc... thats the very last days.

I think that if the body fails, better a total failure jumping from 100 meters high. Let's see if there is the openess necessary to do it with joy. That would be a real success.

Edited January 15 by Breakingthewall

[kavaris]

@Breakingthewall Ehhh. Im not 100% certain about that, but its an option right? Its like, you have the freedom to make that leap, literally.. metaphorically, but it could end up resulting in something unexpected... As you should consider that life never ends, and so theres no telling what happens, if that is the right move, but again, its like using a sledgehammer on the floorboards of your home, and its like, will it accomplish what we want. Surely we want something BIG to happen if things are that bad right?... I would try to finesse it as opposed to trying that, as we still dont understand whats going on.

Anyway, i had somethin else to continue saying, but now ive lost track of what it was for the time being.

p.s. theres something to the general notion of going with a flow, like even in a nonsensical dream where we are like, falling all over the place, its like... we are continuing a particular sequence, a cascade really, but it has remnants of reality still, even if its like non sense sometimes.

Edited January 15 by kavaris

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, kavaris said:

Anyway, i had somethin else to continue saying, but now ive lost track of what it was for the time being.

Haha that's good ,me too. I was thinking that maybe committing suicide is stupid. If karma has dealt you a bitter pill, swallow it. Reality is the whole package, we have to open our heart to everything, understand that it is part of the path, integrate it and place ourself on a higher level. It is possible. 

 

[kavaris]

@Breakingthewall Awesome, thats what i like to hear...

Extract those terms, like you said: "reality is the whole package"... What is a package, or what motion do you think of when you think of opening a package, what sentiment does the act of receiving it represent or how does it make you feel—what does it look like?... Shape, color, pattern, etc...

"Open our heart to everything...", what lies at the center of the heart, and... which direction leads you further towards it—or rather, by what ways can we deduce or determine the dragline/or direction to go, either literally, figuratively—as a past, present or future memory/experience?

"... integrate it"... Now likewise, what is integration, and what are the general sentiments that you think of when you think of integration. Is it "two things merging"? What does it mean to merge? Is it "two things separating", and becoming "distinct"? Is it something else? What does it mean to become a distinction—And, for that matter, how can we integrate or interpret *distinction* in a new way, from a place that leads to ( ... ...  and now im invoking the next term you had so eloquent used... ... )

"... and place ourself on a higher level...", what do you think of when you think of reaching the next—higher, more aligned, more stable area or *place* in life? What is the universe and the human condition predicated on, and what does it mean?

Is this higher level a place, is it a thought or a feeling? What direction should we face, in order to start going in the right direction? What is this *other* that we face, and when we face it does it have a *beingness*, that which we anticipate, in the initial action (the direction of)  seeing/visualizing other, and everafter?

Edited January 16 by kavaris