Actualized Quotes #066

[Jannes]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I personally dislike this quote. It causes one to waste too much effort trying to understand what is being said, instead of contemplating the truth in it. It confuses the mind. Occasionally Leo frames thing from the wrong base. If the underlying concept was expressed with more clarity, I feel it should have been phrased:

Do intentions, or outcome, carry more weight?

Which has more value? Intent vs outcome. This, naturally, will take you down the good vs evil debate as you contemplate.

In my opinion, both are important. 

Where you place your personal value in this contemplation can reveal your evil.... or good

Dune, the novel, is a great example of this.

'The Golden Path' executed by Leto Atraides is a brutal subdugation of mankind to spur growth and expansion. Paul Atraides knows and sees this path, but he sees the evil in the execution and struggles with it, despite the good The Golden Path can do for humanity.

 

You arent conscious enough to see your true intentions. Your true intentions arent what you tell yourself what they are. You behave in devilish ways unconsciously. The more conscious you become of this the less the devil directs you. "air out the devil so he doesnt work in the dark"

Idk about outcome. Reality is too complex to make simple connection of "this caused that" and its impossible to tell basically if what you did will turn out into something good or bad. I believe in the energy conversation act though, when you did something truthful, that will remain and manifest itself in this way somehow, how exactly nobody knows.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

36 minutes ago, Jannes said:

You arent conscious enough to see your true intentions. Your true intentions arent what you tell yourself what they are. You behave in devilish ways unconsciously. The more conscious you become of this the less the devil directs you. "air out the devil so he doesnt work in the dark"

Idk about outcome. Reality is too complex to make simple connection of "this caused that" and its impossible to tell basically if what you did will turn out into something good or bad. I believe in the energy conversation act though, when you did something truthful, that will remain and manifest itself in this way somehow, how exactly nobody knows.

Yep, just basic shadow work - nothing unique there

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yep, just basic shadow work - nothing unique there

This is all very hard to talk about because we arent conscious of the whole mechanisms at play. At least I am not and I can feel it. So I just make an answer which brings me to the edge of my consciousness. 

After doing a lot of shadow work the questioning of wether one "is good or not", or wether "intentions or outcome carry more weight" loose significance because they are games that we collectively play in society because morality is fundamental to society and we also play these games with ourselves then as well.

But when one tries to justify to themselves that they are good when they really arent their evilish way will manifest unconsciously anyways which is even worse. So you cant be good. You can just integrate more of your shadow which will paradoxically make you better.

For me it was very hard to deconstruct my good guy ego. One of the emotionally hardest things in my life. And I am still not there yet at all but I made good progress.