Truth Addict

@Mu_ @Zetxil I didn't mean to make it depressing, I apologise if it seemed so. And no, I'm not saying there's an evil plan to enslave people by the bosses. All I'm saying is that there's so much inequality in this pyramid scheme, the bosses are the most benefited, and the employees are not paid fairly. That's not a mistake, but at the same time it's not an evil plan. That's what happens when you give an unconscious ego so much power (money in this case). The boss who does the least physically exhausting work gets the most money (in my experience, the boss gets at least the double or more than what the totality of employees earn), which adds to the problem once again (capital inflation). We have to consider that these luxuries we have today are not equal to the amount of sources that have been discovered by humanity, there's so much money wasted on wars and on propaganda etc... and this wage slavery feeds to the problem, because if we were all equal, why would we fight? Now, don't mistake me for a fan of complete equality, equality when it's taken to its extreme also doesn't work, and it causes problems, we will always need this hierarchy to move in life, but as I said earlier, it's good to be aware of it, which means if the bosses become aware of their evil, we will see more equality and compassion, that's all.

illusion (ego, me) is part of Truth (God, Me). Illusion is the part, not the whole. (metaphorically speaking).

@Pouya Useful insight! Almost as useful as a toilet paper, use it once and then throw it in the trash. What I mean is, this is also a belief and it's false, so what do you do? Go!

@Moreira Don't think it. Feel it.

@Joseph Maynor @Shadowraix The problem with duality is that you already assume the existence of something and then you try to disprove it. For example, choice has never ever existed except in thought, so it doesn't exist in the actual reality, it remains a thought. When you say: choice vs no choice, free will vs no free will, etc.. The problem is that you assume your claim to be true from the beginning (that thing actually exists), where in fact, it never was. Very simple, yet very tricky.

Excuse me! Just to be clear: Everything is Truth, illusion is misidentification of Truth. That's what I know, how is everything an illusion?

In my direct experience, all labels are illusions. So, it doesn't matter what I think. It will never be the case. Life is fine and it's never stopped working without my thinking, so why even think?

The point isn't that you should or shouldn't feel a certain emotion. The point is that it isn't even up to you how you feel.

Labels, just labels. Consciousness, free will, no free will, ego, tree, car, reality, etc... It's quite a problem trying to convey silence with sound. If we want to be accurate, then all we can say about it is this:

@Matt23 You do nothing. You let them do what they want to do, and you watch them, and you watch the thoughts arising. It's like asking: am I allowed to blink my eyes during do-nothing meditation? Your main concern in meditation should only be observing the present moment. Meditation = observation.

I don't know why. Maybe it's a trick, to make life more dramatic and thrilling. But that isn't conclusive, please go on with me on this inquiry: Do you choose your desires? How come there's even something called desire? Did you choose to have a desire? Did you choose to be even born in the first place? Did you choose the family you grew up in? Did you choose the kind of teaching that you've got since the day you were born right until now? Did you choose to think you have a free will? Did you choose what kind of ideas you will pick up while striving in life? Or, Is it all a thought, and nothing more, that claims to have free will? Learning with directed thoughts vs learning without them.

@shubhankar You get distracted by your thoughts. What are the thoughts pointing you to do? You can ignore the thoughts and keep working (do what you have to do), or you can follow your thoughts (do what you want to do). The first option will make you successful, the latter will make you happy. You need to strike a perfect balance between what you want and what you need in order to become the best version of yourself. It's an art, and it will take time and practice.

And the choice is based on what? Do you have any choice over what you base your choice on? You need to go all the way find out. Okay, I broke my word.

@Shadowraix There's no free will, to me that's a fact, to you it's another concept. It's impossible to communicate insights through language, you have to experience them for yourself, or they are mere beliefs. It is always about experiencing reality with no concepts, or else how would you truly know? All concepts are not the truth. I'm done with this, if you want to know, go and know.

What do you mean exactly by the term "free will"? Because in my experience, it's a thought. Remove the thought and poof! No free will. You might say "no free will" is also a thought, yeah, remove that thought too, and experience reality as it is.

If you have a method to prove free will, why haven't you shared it yet? I'd be glad to hear. I gave you my method. Notice yourself turning everything into a debate, and in my experience, debating is a waste of time, and that's why this will be my last post on this thread. Notice your stubbornness and insist to make up a debate and win it. If you have any practical tips, please share them. If you don't, I'm not interested. Thank you.

Because I'm not interested enough in discussing something very, very obvious. Plus, what do I get? I have more important things to do. The work on your part has to be done, or you'll never know. Try contemplating the concept of free will, try to locate free will in your direct experience. That's the only way you can discover truths about reality. Thinking, talking, arguing, discussing, etc... Are nice, but still won't get nowhere near contemplating by yourself. I would agree with you that I'm closed-minded, only if no free will was a belief. Where in fact, free will is certainly a belief, but you're not able to see that because you don't want to spend some time asking yourself a few questions. Why are you making this about me? Or us? It is/was/will always be about you, and only you. Truth is subjective, and subjective is objective. You think reality must be logical and rational, but that turned out to be wrong, reality is arational (not-rational), rationality is a concept created by the human beings, it's just a concept, like the free will concept. No free will is not the ultimate Truth, but rather it's just one step on the way to Truth. It's normal to think that you know when you don't know, but when you truly know, you know ☺

You're in-sane

You mean Leo?

Good luck with that!

So what is your point? Why are you here?

@Zetxil And that's why I told you from the beginning that it's a very simple truth. It's up to you if you want to verify it or not. Debating with me will not get you anywhere, and I could easily debunk every single argument you used, or ever will use against that simple truth, because it is a fact, not a perspective. However, you might not be able to comprehend what I have to say, because it will require a certain level of awareness. And of course, it might seem as a perspective from your point of view, because you haven't done the work, have you? Have you inquired free will? What is 'will' in your direct experience? Etc... Leo has an old video called free will vs determination, I guess that's a good start. All of these arguments are blocking you from realising that simple truth. Instead, look in your direct experience for free will, and if you ever find it, I'd be glad to know. Speculation is not the answer, it's just another "train of thoughts". Realising no free will doesn't mean that you run away or hide from your emotions, in fact, the opposite happens to be just true, you will embrace your emotions to death. But you won't know how to do that effectively until you reach there. There you will find peace with everything, all the emotions, the positive and the negative ones. And ideally, such distinctions won't make sense to you anymore.

@Zetxil As for the free will discussion: I'm speaking on a different level, you think you have free will, and that's fine, I think I have free will as well (because superficially it seems so). But there's a difference between what I think (what looks like it) and what really is the case, and as I develop myself more, I am becoming more comfortable with dealing with paradox. I never choose my thoughts in the first place. That's a fact. In my experience, thoughts come out of nowhere, and I have zero control over them. If you experience something different please feel free share it with me. Why would someone want to remove the experience of an emotion, positive or negative? There's no reason ultimately. And yet, there's a desire to do it. The author of the post wants to remove the feeling of guilt, and I shared my experience on how I remove any kind of unwanted feelings. As for your advice, thank you very much, I'll work as you suggested, I'll read some English myths and maybe some novels, I think my problem is a lack of vocabulary.

Huh?

No, it doesn't mean that, but the thought likes to say so. There's no point in arguing with me about it, it's a very simple truth, and I can't lie to myself. Verification is now on your part. Ask the author of this thread. You seem to not know what you're talking about, whether serious or sarcastic. You're right, this is an issue I'm working on, I'm not like that in real life, it's just that English is my second language and I find myself lacking better expressions. But that doesn't mean I haven't come up with my ideas genuinely. Most of my posts are ideas that I've realised for myself. Thank you for your positive criticism, I'd appreciate it if you add anything else