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@primzolo In regards to increasing your mindfulness and becoming enlightened, I think books are mostly unimportant. As long as you know backbone/fundamental theory in regards to our awareness and the nature of thought and action, you should be fine. If you believe that truths are experiential and not so much so in the realm of verbal abstraction then the limit of books is clear, especially if you have had enlightenment experiences. And so it is that I think that the issue of reading books is separate from experiencing "the absolute" in this sense. Books are mostly important for navigating the matrix, but enlightenment is about "escaping" the matrix. When you escape the matrix (even if it be temporarily) you realize that everything is equal and language, at the core of it, is meaningless and whats paradoxical enough is that what I'm saying is "false" because I'm trying to use language and if I'm being technical there is no "I" to begin with. See how much of a mess has been created from trying to explain enlightenment?

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@Leo-Tzu The book of not knowing.

@Scholar I could tell you that all suffering is a thought, but that is generally unhelpful as advice alone. Like Leo said, people who are suffering should just obverse it. Thoughts however can be very strongly linked to physical processes. If I indefinitely deprive you of any food, all the consciousness work in the world won't allow you to stop awareness being consumed in thoughts/suffering. Maybe I'm wrong for extremely extremely high consciousness people. And yeah, suffering can get extremely deep. I've had emotional breakdowns where I've hyperventilated and cried for over 40 minutes straight (Lmao at the accidental holotropic breathing). I had thoughts racing so fast you wouldn't believe and spiraling out of control to the point where I thought I was genuinely going insane.

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@MarkusSweden I've felt with politics that the most important thing is to not get caught up in reactionary extremes. Like some parts of the left are anti free speech and unreasonable but that doesn't mean I'm gonna start talking about gassing Jews. And if there's a massive income inequality in a society I'm not gonna just then support communism. I feel like most of these unhealthy movements are in response to something else which is unhealthy, but the movement always go too far.

@Everyday

So I clicked sign in, and I instead got to download this file multiple times. LOL. I believe this pdf is something people pay for on an MBTI website? Weird. Is Leo giving me a gift? I refreshed the page and the "issue" was fixed. Edit: I meant to put "trippy" not "grippy"

@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk@Gerhardidk (ignore the @Gerhard my phone is glitching) @pluto if only more people would understand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Outer as long as your viewpoint is fueled by good intentions and love for yourself and everybody, then your viewpoint is at the very least understandable in my eyes. I've always thought that people of different cultures and races can inhabit the same country, it just takes maturity on the part of people in that society.

@Outer My question to you is, what's the point of discussing what your preferences tend to be? I'm assuming that from your life experiences you've found than you click with white people more on average right? But even if that is true, of what use is that information? Like this whole topic seems quite pointless. Even if I click with Asian people more on average, I judge every person I meet as an individual before I decide if I want to be close friends with them. If race doesn't factor into my (and perhaps your) decision making in day to day life then of what use is this discussion? I see the racial pattern as a happenstance I care very little for. I get that you're saying that you prefer the company of white people because you connect with them more on average ( and not for the sole reason that their skin color is white I'm assuming) but I don't get what the point of white nationalism is. Is it just that you think there should be a space for "white culture" in the world, the same way that there is "Mexican culture"?

Your comment of support validates my existence and gives me an ego high. Thank you very much.

@stevegan928 This seems like a funny idea. Here's my list from what I've seen The True vs False Skepticism video also hit me pretty hard. It's the simple truths which are most hard hitting and profound for me and so I like these videos which highlight what's at the core of suffering and unhappiness.

@Emerald The trend has existed pretty much forever. Non-dual truth can't be explained in words which is part of the whole problem in talking to people. The best I can probably say is that is every facet of your consciousness is spontaneous and that EVERYTHING is equal. I felt this experience very strongly today when meditating. You speak of people using non-dual truths to bolster their "other - ising " beliefs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... I've read some things on this forum I deem to be fall into the category you describe, and it is wrong/egoic, but if I my memory is correct very little of what they were saying had non-duality as a discussion point. I'd be interested if you could link me an example of where you think this is true. You're probably right in calling some people out but I from what I know non-duality has very little to do with it. But I will still say that their perspectives are "valid", but of course "valid" is a word which is always relative to something.

@Roman Edouard I've been dealing with boredom recently as well. I'm trying to take the approach of using boredom as fuel to start healthy habits like reading and exercise.

@Tropic Love There are two different angles of thought/experience I've taken in coming to the "conclusion" that good and evil don't evil. Before I was ever into self actualization or consciousness work, I was initially a Muslim who then turned atheist. One way to look at the universe is that its just matter and energy which is shuffling and moving around in accordance with the laws of the universe, the laws of physics. These laws are precise in the sense that identical starting conditions produce identical results in all instances. Humans are just a complex configuration of matter and energy obeying the laws of physics, and so we are no more ethically responsible for our actions than a tennis ball is ethically responsible for feeling the force of gravity and falling to the ground. Although the second angle is to do with meditation experiences, I'm running out of time to spend online and so imma just end it here.

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@MarkusSweden Exactly, yellow includes green. People in yellow can easily have the love of green in addition to "perspectives thinking". I'm not sure where you are coming from. You say that if everyone stayed in Green the world's problems would be fixed. The point of yellow is that you can implement whatever perspective necessary to fix a problem, and that fully includes green. You're deluding yourself mate, if you were truly at turquoise you wouldn't speak about moving backwards in this way. And if you want to grow yourself spiritually you need to start to see through the illusion of good and evil.

@Tropic Love To give you a bog-standard evolutionary answer, we enjoy the taste of and crave unhealthy food like soda and candy because they are high in calories. For millions/billions of years our ancestors have been struggling to find sustenance in the wild, and so when our ancestors came across a high calorie source it is beneficial for them to eat as much as they can from it because finding enough food to survive used to be a struggle. But our lifestyle in modern times differs greatly from that of our ancestors in the sense that having enough food to survive is no longer a struggle, but we have ancient machinery within us which is adapted to a different lifestyle. And as for why humans are hard-wired to survive as a species, consider if the converse were true. In this alternate scenario, our ancestors die out and they don't give birth to us. By definition, any species which currently survive must have the desire to survive passed down in their DNA otherwise we wouldn't be here.

@MarkusSweden to go to back to what the woman was saying, I'm someone who doesn't get surprised or outraged by injustices and I think most people are like this. That doesn't make them wolf, all that in of in itself implies is that the person understands and has accepted the existence of corruption in the world. In her analogy, a wolf is an asshole who has no problem with deceiving people in hurtful ways and a fox is someone who can fall victim to this stuff easily. The very thing I say from now is based on this understanding I have of her analogy. It is an ego driven paradigm which even if we entertain, doesn't account for everyone (she probably didn't intend it that way anyway). The are not only two ways of being which can be categorised as "cold predator" and "warm hearted prey". But it certainly is something to consider. The embodiment of a wolf would be red/orange and the embodiment of a fox would be blue/green, I am guessing. Just because you're warm hearted and care about people doesn't mean that you have to be run over. But I would be lying if I were to deny the fact that there is a trade-off in "protecting" yourself from the world and becoming cold, if we are to look at how most ego driven humans function.

I find this question interesting because I wonder at what point can you say that a guru is doing something unconducive for your growth. I've heard people talk about cult followings and manipulation on the part of spiritual leaders and find this interesting. A second thing I wonder is, does enlightenment and connection with the absolute necessitate that you be an ethical person? I believe the answer to that question is no based upon my own experiences with meditation for 7-8 months now. Behaving as a solipsist seems like a valid way of being. I could do all sorts of harm to people and it wouldn't matter, but it is instead the case that I feel the urge to be nicer to people and care about them. But the existence of enlightened criminals is something I see as being completely plausible, although these criminals wouldn't be impulsive and would just do what they can without being caught. What I'm talking about now is only tangentially related to this thread topic, but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. Back to talking about my original question. Can you think of non-duality spiritual leaders who have abused their followers? Do you have footage of such people speaking? Are all spiritual leaders secretly assholes who don't give a shit about the well being of people, since they have seen through the illusion of good and bad? I have no idea at all how well I can spot a manipulator.

@PsiloPutty yeah this is a bit funny.

@Stoica Doru you're being silly. The words "my", "me" and "I" still have utility when communicating.

@RichardY You want to join a cult? Great. Just watch this video with an open mind and feel the quantum extraterrestrial vibrations as you take leaps in consciousness.To roam the circuit is to become one with it. We exist as superpositions of possibilities. Put this tune in the background as you suspend critical faculties and listen to our tapes. Thank you very much.