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@Devin She needs a man or she will become a man... Every woman needs a man or she will become a man...

@Devin When you say best friend and business partners i see that you want companionship and sex with no investment in yourself to invest in a woman so what is she going to get out of that...? Good list but she will get overrun by emotions either way and she will try to decieve you if you are weak she will have poor communication if shes not that into you but she will stay with you to use you for something...

@Devin Woman dont need a man? please tell me what techonolgy you use to read womens minds?

@Devin So how will that that relationship look like i cant picture anything but a companionship between 2 people...? Whats low value woman? @Proserpina and your mind thinks better than regular minds interesting...

What a glitch! does to you guys also says devin posted what i posted??

@Devin Doesnt matter what others could do you need to see for yourself if shes messed up with you when she follows your ways... No shes not a slave she chooses if she wants to follow your program or not. @Proserpina You get it ? @Bobby_2021 Basically asshole is an asshole im talking about a man hes the one that influences woman if you dont influence them its because you are not a man.. She basically gets influenced by a man so much that she starts to change her values for him Her value is based upon his value as a man if shes with a real man she becomes high value while shes with a random guy her value drops... Edit:if you say look this woman is high value by herself no shes not she either had a great dad or a man in her life that made her if shes disfunctional she had an average dad and average guy... Men are different but in a way similar but not for long..

Doesnt matter, man turns woman into "high value" for himself if hes on that level, so be the man that woman are willing to do what you want them to do, for you without queastioning you, without manipulation tho ?

By 100% focus on yourself Unplugging from social matrix..

@Tyler Robinson Because he will try to get all the atributes of "high value man" just because he can get what he wants from others(approval,likes etc.) He will stay in that loser mentality of looking for outside to definde him. And thats why many losers want to be alfa and high value because thats the way society views winners so he wants to be that meanwhile if he gets all that he will still be in loser mentality. Many wants to be high value to get girls for example. They find out they cant attract the women they really want with just status they get used by them..

That's not a disrespect imo(EDIT:it is disrespect to yourself to stay with those people tho ) they are running a game on you because you have no game, so they decide to use you because otherwise they will get rid of you. So solution is to learn game but that's a stretch if you make it about other people.. You are asking of them to respect you just because and thats not how things are unfortunately.Respect comes from respecting yourself aka having game. Find other people that they want you for who you are, which you will not want and would do the same to them that these people in your life are doing to you right now. ?‍♂️ or wouldnt even give a chance.

I get what you saying but its really misleading to people who dont know what you saying so beware.

I can add the atributes of high value man, but trying to be a high value man is fail from the start ,basically its another way of people pleasing in disguise... Depends on wheres it's coming from, if someone looks at list of definitions of how to be a high value man and now decides to be that will be loser from the start to finish ? just a friendly reminder.

@Jenkins First thing to understand is that mind is rooted in outside world the world of looks,money like you said market value.Mind is on the surface and is looking for something outside of himself to get rooted in like you look for a guru and hold what he says as a truth and now you think like him and even act like him.Defined by the outside stuff thats why game has nothing to do with women ?.(and everyone makes it about women because their minds are rooted in outside) On the contrary mind has to be rooted in yourself and its hard to explain here and i didnt finish that process so i can only guide you to source in Pm..

Best option us to learn (real)game from core of who you are, that from the way you are speaking will be a tough process...

Women are flakey in general even with amazing game girls will flake thats a part of the game just accept how it is...

@Razard86 I said you need mentor but you go beyond it Thats the thing being a product of people you interacted with no wonder everyones fucked ? going outside yourself to be something probably the worst and most harming thing there is to myself as an ego..

Thats a tough pill to swallow realizing that you actually dont want things you say you do, otherwise you wont be having same problem over and over, you would be in that thing solving it from the inside...

@Razard86 I think he is, everybody whos in their own leauge of something..and made path for others to follow and is insanely creative is apex from my understanding, which is limited in this... I imagine apex male as someone whos made everything possible in their own way and now textbooks and people learn from him but he didnt learn from nobody he had mentors but they just made him understand the ways which he made 1000 better...

@Razard86 Thanks for indepth answer...only thing thats missing is apex male whos above alfa ?

Why are you starting multiple same threads which one is main one?

@Razard86 Alright but then delete this forum because if we wont make distinction then there is no somebody whos improving and somebody whos stagnating there is no someone winning or someone losing... We can just keep meditation section ? Its not a game when alfa comes and takes what you wanted or got that job you wanted right? Or you typing this from a cave ? im not being funny

@Razard86 you are describing fake alfas, real alfas love themselves and appreciate life...

Alfa man is someone going after what they want relentlessly and not giving a f ,just pushing until he's getting that thing... Being alfa for girls is fail and proving yourself to others is fail...

You start conversation with another girl about how some girl showed your arm and you didnt like that, but you like it in intimate situation ? something like that...in perfect wolrd where you dont react to stuff...

You reject yourself the moment you say omg she attractive shes 9/10 taller than me... And you reject yourself way before you approached her every time you percieve something that doesnt come from who you are but from outside world and how outside word percives it and you follow that instead follow your perception... Too complicated to explain in one post.. You can toughen it up but you will always feel not worthy and run from that and pretend to be something you are not, you are run by outside word... This is too deep thats why most advices dont ever work ?