Faceless

Do we think differently?

What’s the rush

Thought/knowledge is always old and of the past. If we are not aware of this fact then we can’t live now. The me is the past. To understand myself as the past gives rise to the capacity to live in in now. Now is actually all there ever is, but psychological knowledge being the me and it’s content prevents that now experience.

As far as a spiritual growth diet... just give the body the nutrients it needs and keep away from what it doesn’t and you will be fine.

Just use good judgment when deciding what to eat. I know Paul chek recommendations seem to be real reasonable. For me personaly I eat 80% fruit/veg 20% either salmon or chicken (meat twice a week maybe three times tops for dinner) This works well with calisthenics/little weights/and mobility routine. Running is not preferable for me anymore. I over did that years ago I keep muscle on and keep lean and most importantly feel great try and keep things simple

To me mindlessness comes about when you see and feel with your whole being the nature and structure of thought in your personal daily life. In that seeing/feeling the internal chatter “thought”or “mind” is not taken seriously, it is taken as internal noise. An inner commentary..Also once this process of inquiry becomes natural the compulsion of thought slows and may come to an end. Usually in smaller increments but usually in my experience grows to longer intervals. But don’t get caught in the trap of moving in a particular direction. Desire, gratification, chasing experiences will only cause further division and conflict. If we see that the mind is a problematic process and we are that mind “ego” then we see that problems come and go and that the center “becoming” is the root of this state of suffering. Just let the process be. Nothing else “you” can do. The process creates the you “duality” Knowing this you see the division is not actual. It’s a kind of symptom of thought. To live the mind must first learn the art of dying. Anyway it’s an never ending learning until the day the body dies. U see the significance of this?

Simply ask yourself what is pleasure? How does it come about? Pleasure is fueled by thought and becomes mechanical, and compulsive. Inquiry into thought is the only way to see when pleasure is arising. There is the memory of the sensation felt in that experience and now you want to recapture it again. It gives you a feeling of calmness and security. Like a self soothing state. Pleasure is the remeberabce of that feeling derived from thought and there is an impulsive drive to repeat that experience over and over again. Don’t just meditate for one hour. True meditation is an all day affair. Meditation is diligent inquiry into thought “ the You “ It’s an art Art of living

Who or what is the entity that wants to improve?

Doesn’t mindful detachment imply mindlessness.. Maybe there is a time to be mindful and a time to be mindless. To have a full mind we become blinded by its content. To have less full mind is to see with greater clarity without barriers of its content obstructing our view and perception. Mindfulness in the realm of the egoic function “an ego tool” or “thought” Mindlessness implies freedom from the self or the absence of the center “ to not be blinded by the nature, structure, and substance of thought. Anyhow this is how I view these words

You have created an image of yourself. What u should be like. How you should act. What position or role in society your should play. This image is a projection that is abstracted from the fact of how you actually are. This abstraction “the movement from what is actual to an idea, what should be” is creating a never ending conflict of expectations to be met. If this image of how I should be is not so it causes pain, sorrow, anxiety, and so on. We assume we should be better in what ever way we project because society demands conformity and imitation to its inhabitants to engage in a role. When we don’t want to conform to a path that has been chosen we close our selves off from the outside. We then become uncomfortable in the presence of others or social settings. We create images about ourselves and images of what we think others are projecting about us. This fear of public opinion creates a division between ourselves and another. If there is a division then fear is imminent. In this thinking creates this image making process. If there is no image there is no conflict between what is and what should be. From what I have witnessed in myself and others is that introvert or extrovert both can be in states of conflict and there energy decreases similarly. The extrovert just ignores it or gets used to this process. The introvert sees that this energy is replenished when alone time is granted. To me balance is key. I personally like to be alone 90% of the time. People call me introvert to. But to me a mind that is alone can be diligent in the necessesity of self inquiry of our own thought processes. If we can’t identify these images and there abstract nature this process goes undetected and we start to suffer the consequences like, depression, anxiety, fear, anger, and so on. If there is an image between You and I There is no relationship. There is only a relationship of images. It’s that simple yet it seems to be otherwise.

Lust implies desire for the pleasure in the experience. Ultimately thought is the root of this movement. We are thought and within that thought is a fragment, lust. So we are lust. To refrain is to go from what is “lust” and controlling oneself according to an idea “non lust” ultimately escaping the fact that we are lust. So instead of the idea of what should be maybe we should stay with the fact. Face it, learn about it, observe this movement of desire, pleasure, and gratification objectively with denying or accepting

This word god is not a good word to use for what I think it is being directed towards.. knowone can agree on its significance

If your mind goes blank we’ll thats good. If u feel that u are easily distracted and this “contemplation” becomes a chore then figure out why u are contemplating that specific question. Maybe it’s not what u want..Maybe this inquiry or contemplation is only of interest because you haven’t questionsed the motive or intention behind it.. What is the ground of it? What am I trying to get out of that question? And so on. Motive honestly revealed is essential. If you are bouncing from interest to interest but not staying with one very long and start to wonder” inner cometary and compulsive thinking” then maybe you might want to limit activities that tend to bring about a mechanical movement within your thinking. Just limit distractions like media, habits, entertainment, and so on, temporarily. This tends to quiet the mind and gives one the energy needed to inquire into such questions. But if your are in this blank state than what’s the problem...Besides a glass that is empty has room for somthing new. And remember when it comes to contemplation of the self the one who contemplates is contemplation Lol..This is a rather common issue good luck friend

Maybe u should learn about why this inattention is happening. Its good that u notice this inattention in progresss Maybe u know deep down that what ever content is being communicated to u is limited. Maybe u want something more. Maybe it just doesn’t seem to have real value to you. Who knows why.. If you don’t know yourself then what chance is there in knowing what u want? This sounds like contradictory thoughts you are having. Thought being fragmented becomes conflicted because each fragment is pursuing something in a specific direction contrary to another. One fragment wants success another wants freedom from desire. Do u see this contradiction? I would learn this movment of thought “psychological content of the yourself” and in this inquiry the mind will become quiet. These contradictions of thought will cease by objective observation. In this observation motives and intentions will reaveal themselves and you will be able to negate what motives and intentions are not genually valued. The capacity to attend, and the quality of a quiet mind are essential in abilty to avoid distractions.

How do “you” kill thought? Control? How do “you” kill the fragment of thought that identifies as “you”?? If this was achievable and it seemed like a good idea to “u” wouldn’t it be a better idea to not have to kill ”IT” at all? Why not use it for what it’s function actually is? I mean there are good things about it like remembering where u live, learning a language, learning how to knit a sweater. Lol It’s when we are unable to keep an orderly mind that this ego becomes a problem. Everything needs to go in its right place. Thought goes with function being technological knowledge , vocational knowledge, communication, and so on. But in the psychological movment of time “past, present, future, knowledge being thought has no place.

If your trying become self actualized that implies that u haven’t yet. If u haven’t then that means u don’t know what it is. And If u haven’t become self realized maybe your not in any position to show another how to become what u have yet to attain. Sincelry, it sounds like u are trying to find something immeasurable. If this is so chances are u will change dramatically from day to day. U might be on to something one day thinking your close to your goal, then some form of insight reveals to you a deception that reveals itself. I would just pay attention to your thinking. I wouldn’t even bother with guessing or assuming what others are thinking about you. This is the function of thought “ego”. Maybe if your so interested in this “self actualized” business you might not want to fuel what your trying to dissolve. If u dedicate 100% of your attention to the self and it’s content then your actions will speak for themselves soon enough. Freedom “order” has to be in the beginning. It’s not at the end of “self actualized work” I would forget this way of thinking that any one of us can grasp what is truth anyhow. Truth is beyond all subjectivity “thoughts, knowledge, time, ego or the self. It is of itself and only when the center and all that implies is not. It’s a rare thing to be able to live without the center. But there are moments when we can get a small peak into the imeasurable. THIS IS ONLY WHEN “WE” ARE NOT

Anyone have something fresh to bring to this. Maybe someone with something to say. Maybe something worthwhile What do u guys think about the pursuit and attainment of enlightenment for the pursuit of status and respectability? Sounds absurd doesn’t it??? Lololololo

It’s about observing, seeing, understanding, and realizing thought in it’s structure and abstract nature.. Dropping ideas and concepts about what we think enlightenment, self realization and so on are. To have a quiet mind not in a constant state of becoming. Thought is the vehicle of these ideas and concepts. And yes there is nothing wrong with thought as a function. But within the psychological realm thought has no place. Anyone who claims to be enlightened and doesn’t see this is sadly mistaken and will only live a life in division, conflict, and will suffer.

But if we go into to this in depth with oursleves in our daily lives these questions would reveal themselves.

@Principium Nexus I would say it’s about neither a path nor destination. In this projected idea of thought we would be chasing our idea of enlightenment and not the actuality or fact that the word enlightenment points to. Dropping all ideas and concepts is what freedom implies. Freedom from the prison of thought. Freedom from the past implies the capacity to meet the present. So I would say its more like a patheless journey without the destination holding any significant value. Just enjoying the beauty along the way. And while this journey does end when the physical body dies, this journey could never begin without the the death of the psychological entity that I call the Me, which is thought.

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I think maybe if these question were gone into we would be able to come close to understanding why most people dont seem to be interested. And I would think that after going into these questions one would realize if they were being deceived by thought “ego”

And how does this “perceiver” get to this realization of being “no thing”???

Let’s go about this one question at a time.. who is the perceiver?

Isn’t the motive behind why we want to meditate to be in a timeless state? Dont these popular methods of meditation imply concentrated effort? Isnt that what one is trying to get away from when engaging in this activity? To be in a state where the “me” ceases It seems that focus, concentration, and control is the opposite of what is needed to to inhabit this timeless state where the self is not. This movment of concentration, focus, and a centered focal point in a particular direction implies thought. And when we move within the realm of thought the timeless can not be approached.