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Just stay with these feelings. Don’t escape them, let them run there course. Just observe. You will be ok if you simply watch. These feelings and thoughts are facts as in they are actualy happening . Try not to escape to the abstraction of what should be, or what you want to happen. This will only create further illusion, deception, conflict. Stay with what is your not alone friend

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What are we trying to deconstruct?

@Salcedoop ah yes. Order in relationship. Relationship with ourselves and with others. I never really heard much about “self acrualization before this forum. But I think it’s similar to the way I prefer to live. Self knowing which means seeing and understanding in the nature of thought. And freedom from thought “the self” to make for healthier relations with myself and one another. Thanks for sharing friend. Nice to talk with you??

@Shanmugam you speak of your home land often. Where do you live friend?

@Shanmugam yeah.. the seperate self that thought has created dies. As in the content of this seperate self and all it’s implications is negated. One sees that thought gave continuity to this seperate self and in that seeing without acceptance or resistance that seperate self becomes quiet.

@Salcedoop i see...what exactly does self actualization imply to you?

@Shanmugam I understand you my friend. Could you explain what you mean by the embodiment and integration (which takes time) part. I think I’m meeting you on this but this part needs to be clear first. I simply question whether time is necessary.

We can only experience somthing that we know. Somthing we have learned in the past through memory/experience/knowledge, which is thought. This is a simple observation that comes with thought inquiry. Of course this should be seen personally

It’s not an attack on anyone personally. Just an observation that one comes in thought inquiry

@Shanmugam yeah I totally agree with that

@Shanmugam That seems very reasonable friend

@How to be wise I’m not much of an experience seeker. I wish you the best friend ??

If enlightenment is experiential than this would imply that it is a movement of binary thought or measure? Is not that “enlightened” state freedom form measure?

Lol is this somthing to debate or is it obvious. Thinking implies to measure

Isn't thought binary in nature?

??Lol “enlightenment” or what this word points to is simply freedom from the known “the center” The self ”center” can not be enlightened. This is state of negation to the content of ones conciousness. The me and everything the me “thought” has put together Freedom from personal and collective conciousness quiets the brains conditioned patterns and makes room for a capacity for intelligence/insight. Through this insight all content of the self begins to fade, and through this perception is the ending of the me and all its implications, then there is freedom from the center. To be “enlightened” is to be free of the desire of experience all together. Atleast this seems to be the case ??‍♂️ Lol

If a movment of thought is moving now, is there a now?

It’s important to be able to distinguish between abstractions and facts. And also to know when oneself is being influenced by subjectivity. To see in ourselves when there is an emotional attatchment or when we are taking shelter in a bias which brings a sense of security. Never accetpt anything. Investigate objectively, then maybe one can discover what is correct or incorrect. Usualy that which is true is simple and clear anyway.

We can always learn from one another. We can learn from what is correct and what is incorrect. One can learn a lot from that which is false. ??‍♂️

What is this experience of Brahman like? Im aware the description is never the described but let’s humor one another.

Well maybe we could ask ourselves why we would conclude it was or wasn’t. What makes us come to one conclusion or another? In such a question sometimes our motive indicates an answer. Although, in a way the future is predetermined in the sense that we as humans are shaping the future with every action and inaction now. The future is fixed if various patterns are not broken. Patterns of suffering, insecurity, sorrow, violence, and so on. In a way the future is predetermined by what we do and don’t do now.

@cetus56 The me and you are an expression of the collective. U agree with this? In saying one can have recollections of being at Atlantis would this imply this recollection is the product of knowing ones own nature? And in that self knowing seeing that each self is basically of the same structure therefore being able to relate the society of Atlantis to the reality of society in which we have produced and live in now? Or are we saying something else entirely? Just want to meet you mutually in this friend If we can keep it simple I think we can get somewhere together

@cetus56 I understand time and conciousesnss. But what do u think consciousness implies?

@Ruby White not sure I totally see what u mean friend