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Well said

@star ark Yeah thought is a response and reaction to memory, knowledge, and experience, Which anticipates and projects itself through volition into the “future”. And Yes I accept that thought is not yours or mine, it’s just thought.? And I would think that the life form “organism” is reletive and dependent upon conditions by its environment. What do you think friend?

Neti neti not this ?

lol seriously

@Serotoninluv Wonderful? To see the falseness that security lies in identifying with or as something. And to see the truth that insecurity ceases when we stop clinging to become something and embrace the significance of being nothing or no-thing.

@Serotoninluv That’s all we can do. Because “we” are not seperate form those thoughts/feelings. We are them. They are the fact of what is?

@Okaythen Thank you friend I will consider the above and I greatly appreciate the advice. Also a joy talking with you as usual? Ill look out for your upcoming posts. Still have not been able to break in to your last one. I am limited on time having a family and all. But once I get a sec I’ll check it out. ??

@DocHoliday Ah yes negative thinking. Negation of the self. Seeing that clinging to yourself “thought” or “volition according to the accumlation memory, knowledge, and experience is the very movement that prevents this centerlessness or vast movement of the immeasurable. Nice vid Allan watts one of the few that resonates. Very good communicator.

@Okaythen Yeah i see what your saying friend. Well written explanation? Positive thought is conditional and an imposition by a movement of volition. So what makes this positivity in opposition to negativity standpoint is the thinker which is composed of a series of reactions in accordance to the accumulation of memory,knowledge, and experience which has been stored in the brain, and is in a constant movement torwards security. This shows the mechanical fragmented nature of thought “the thinker”. I can see this pattern of relativity between this and that and I can see that thought is a product of self preservation. This seems to present the fact that negative thinking “not in the general sense of comparative thinking” but thinking without causation seems to be the highest form of thinking. This form of thinking is not taken in and deceived by its own limited, fragmented, and mechanical nature. So seeing that thought is always a reaction or response to memory, knowledge, and experience, one sees that in order to think clearly this relative form of thought must cease altogether. If one grasps the limited nature of thought one sees that negation of this reactive tendency in relation to the reservoir in which all thought manifests from makes for a quiet, orderly, and clear ability to think with coherence. This is very interesting my friend and I appreciate your response. Agian well written. I need to cultivate my writing skills to communicate better so I can explain this realm of centerlessness better and clearer. I’ve never really learned from anyone or been educated. Mostly self taught. Any recommendations You might suggest that I could do at home?

@Okaythen yeah I’m I think I’m following u. I’ll get back to u on that. Got a few things to do with kids.

If you don’t see the falseness of the self and the nature of thought then yes. ??‍♂️ Its ok don’t feel bad just act. Action will make it all better friend. Do somthing about it. ?

Yeah started feeling that once I saw Deep down the nature of the self, thought, This seemed “euphoric” now remembering back.. Out of knowhere just hit me all of a sudden. And for a few months I seemed to be in this dream like state. I thought maybe this was the product of no thought but later saw that there were still some subtle forms of thought still moving. Images were still being formed and thought was still attributing to itself qualities independent of thought. But with an understanding of thought these mistakes become less and less which ultimately makes for a quiet mind capable headlessness. Wait until the experiencer vacates altogether. It’s something. It’s the ultimate freedom?

If one grasps and understands thought then one sees the partial, limited, fragmented, nature of science. To know the limits of somthing makes for effective and orderly application.

Lolol....I don’t know but there are pretty long periods of headlessness throughout the day and everyday. Yesterday “I” went on a walk for about an hour or so, don’t remember because I wasn’t there ?

Lolol

@Serotoninluv ah yes good ol simple appreciation for everyday beauty. And then out of that non-expectation of this desire for “higher consciousness” that everyone seems to be so attatched to one finds themselves swimming in a sea of endless timelessness. Ahhh! so refreshing to just be huh friend?

Lololol ??‍♂️

@Torkys Starting at square one is an intelligent decision my friend. Get rid of all the conjectures and presuppositions that have been accumulated by thought along the way. You don’t need them and you never did. Most people fear the known coming to an end but you my friend are embracing it. And if you follow through with that I’m certain you will not regret it. Until later my friend ??

@Leo-Tzu @Serotoninluv is a runner

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To bring about action in everyday life keeping things plain and coherent is essential in bringing about psychological order. Keep it simple, direct, and applicable. In regards to this forum, simply enjoy this ability to share with one another?

@Octafish yes indeed. You got it friend

@OctafishLol crazy weird dream friend... i wouldn’t say that. Mostly just not being aware of thoughts throughout the day. Whatever disorder of thought there is in the day just transfers over when asleep. I would say the pattern of disorderly thought just continues. Imagination just seems to be moving? so I wouldn’t worry about the content of the dream necessarily. Just be more aware of thought throughout the day. Knowing when thought is moving and when it is not. Example, being aware of intervals between would be a start. If that makes sense. If you haven’t already investigate into what thought is. It’s cricial to know when thought is in motion and not.

@Joseph Maynor ??

@Moreira The entity that wants to rid themselves of desire is in fact desire lol It’s not about getting rid of desire. Because the desire to get rid of desire is a movment of desire. It’s implied once one goes deep enough that the perception and insight that the self “thought” is a manifestation of desire. To see this fact doesn’t rid one of desire. But one can become aware of this movment of volition therefore has a capacity to not react to its mechanical process or pattern. To see the truth that thought “the self” or desire is the manifestation of fragmentation becomes its own action in freedom from desire. Does this make sense? If not don’t jump to any conclusions, just investigate the very mechanism that is used to inquire. The mechanism of thought. And I’m not sure who Osho is but I am quite certain from my own experience that dreams do cease all together when there is order in ones mind. ? great question friend