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I have pretty much no knowledge of history lol

This movement seems more intelligent

@Shanmugam got it lol

@Saumaya thank you for filling me In ?

Oh sarcasm

What does rotfl mean??

True. This movement is an actual process that takes place. Infinity lol. Sorry it’s that word. Lack of knowledge no. I would say knowledge being a part of the structure that forms thought is the root of all psychological suffering.

I’ve been sleeping on the floor for 5 years now. Sleep a lot better. Don’t need to sleep as long. And wake up in better body alighnment.

Ha!!! Ah man. I’ve spent a lot of time in the wilderness and Alaska is no joke. Takes years/life time to develop the skills to live out there. Either way his heart was in it. He seemed to demand more to life than the modern jive. And we can only assume what he saw. Maybe instead of doubting if he saw truth you should ask yourself why you doubt that he saw truth. Anyway unfortunately living out in Alaska as he did is extremely difficult. Two years is pretty good actully.

Psychological time ‘the moment of becoming’ brings about a sense of security, hope, or that there is that goody at the end of the tunnel. Somthing to look forward to that might solve that particular problem or problems. This movement is the product of thinking. Brings about a sense of permanence to the ego/thought. The continuity of will, desire, effort to achieve that goal sustains the validity and permanence to the ego. That is the purpose of ego/thought. To solve problems. No problems no use for thought. If there are no problems thought will create them to sustain its own movement and process. You will see that the higher and lower are only forms of measure. That’s how thought works. Just like your said about duality between good and bad. If there is a motive to achieve a higher state you will always be let down and in a prepetual state of conflict. Because thought/ego thrives off conflict. pretty cool how it works actually?

If I am not the mind and I have no control over it how can I make it repeat a mantra? You are your mind which is why you are compelled to repeat mantras. The controller is the controlled

That’s all I am saying it is, another experience. We can call that experience whatever we want, absolute, god, or whatever but this is still the movement of thought. It is simply the changing of one reality to anohter. That’s all I’m saying.? Do you even see the significance of no longer seeking experience? If you only knew what such a empty movement leads to. Seems if one did there would be no need for an experience at all. Harmony is of itself. ‘We’ don’t need to to impose any experience on top of that. And it’s free?

I understand? but you don’t have to have that particular experience to know that it is nothing more than anohter experience. Experience being a movement of the center/thought. Just saying an action/movment of the infinite does imply a non experiencing right. No center. A non recognition. Im sure it’s quite an interesting experience never the less ?. Again I’m not against the psychedelic experience. I have friends who have done them. I just see that experience and knowledge given continuity by memory/recognition are movements of the self/thought.

Harmony already exsist without your imposition of self centered activity. There’s no need for any of that psychadelic jive. Unless you feel there is of course.? If you feel you need to take anything as means of attaining a certain state of being your addicted. You are caught in habit. You are still mechanical/fragmented lol And how do you guys know what state of being he is in anyways. How do we know what he needs or doesn’t need.

Sure? Seems Zhuangzi and I would have seen eye to eye lol

Ego/thought is a self perpetuating system. All problems are the result of the very mechanism of thinking. Without the accumulation of solutions maintained by the stream of thought in which create the conflict of choosing between, there would be no problems. And without problems there is no reason for thought. Thought/ego creates disharmony in man. And in no way will thought bring about harmony. This is what dawned on me and how I came to actully see the very simplicity of simply being. For me it just came out of knowhere. I was already in a state of nonseeking. I had already accepted and came to peace with the disharmony of thought and didn’t seek to change what was actual happening. Then it hit me that thought with its motive, desire, effort, hope, was the very mechanism that created the disharmony with the flow of nature. I saw that harmony is already there. And that ‘the me’ that imposes, or ‘thought’ by its divisive nature, is the origin of discord. I see that most people get stuck in the hope of paths, methods, techniques, systems, and so on. They don’t see that these are still movements of the self/ego/thought... But??‍♂️. This must be seen personally I guess. I’m just thankful I didnt have to seek and strive through the difficulty to see the simplicity.

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There were straight playas y’all lolol

@How to be wise Trust?? Who needs trust??‍♂️ And never try and dissolve an ego with the movement of volition. ? This is a futile attempt. Actually any ‘attempt’ is futile.. lol that’s what makes it cool ? Can be a learning experience though I guess.

They don’t. They measure everything according to there own personal responses to memory, knowledge, and experiences ‘thought’. They make a judgement according to there own conditioning.

Because this gives people hope. Somthing for thought to imitate. It’s easy for self/volition to seek security in thought ‘memory, knowledge, experience’ because that is what thought is ‘the old, the past, desire’...our thinking is the result of past thought. The thought that we think we think is not ours. It is just the movement of thought, not yours at all. All thought is old, never new.

@Shanmugam I put a sign on the wall saying no religion/politics discussions allowed lol

Here to lol

It’s ok man. I see things similar. And I do see your point on sharing this message with people who are totaly fresh and people who have already been into it already. I have gone this self learning alone and feel that is totally necessary. I want to share with anyone who wants to listen. But at the same time from my own learning experiences see that there is nothing I can actually offer anyone. I can only point. I don’t want people to think there is somthing to be gained/added from learning about themselves. But more something to be taken away lol. I am all about taking away and staying at that empty level. Most people don’t like that. I see my sharing only being of interest to certain types of people. Maybe those who are ok with being insecure and facing that emptiness.

I totally understand that? The conversation started with discipline ‘reward and punishment, and the pro spanking/hitting a child’...The father believes the ‘mental illness and lack of respect from the new generation’ is the result of not enough organized religion ‘biblical stories to learn from’ being taught to the kids. That that is a means to a moral society. I simply stated that is not a fact, is an opinion based of his conditioning, and is in fact immoral. That we are responsible for the way that things are now. Of course they were all I’m not and pointed there fingers elsewhere. But said once again no we are responsible for the way things are now and how they will be. Some just don’t want to put themselves out there u know lol. Uh oh lol... imagine how the room must be reacting at this moment lol He/they didn’t like that to much. Anyway he kept denying and so did the rest of the room, ‘being the product and continuation of his conditioned point of view’ Anyway no matter what I would say to them wouldn’t be considered because they haven’t gone into themselves. I mean even people who have somewhat gone into that are even difficult to explain something like non violence is still an action of violence. i don’t try and teach people this because I don’t feel that will get through to them but I do suggest they look into things themselves...Anyway they just antagonized and ridiculed me which was ok??. But one thing that did bug me was that my girlfriend who I have a child with was joining them is this assault. She doesn’t take an interest in learning the self/thought either so she doesnt get my different point of view either. You can only imagine the problems that can raise from this lol? Usually I don’t get involved emotionally as far as ‘the movement of self distorting my clarity of thought’ but i did when she started in with them. Mostly because the fact that I have a child and I see now that I will have to deal with opposition in how he is raised. And when it comes to violence disguised as morality I do tend to act according to the movement of the self. This may be one of the deep rooted fears I still hold as I see that every action made by us now leads to a result down the line ‘consequence’....To me seeing something being very dangerous and staying away from it is a must. Only in this case I see that my son will inevitably have to be subject to that with the family and obviously in society. I think the only thing that brings out the sense of self ‘disorderly thought’ in me is the fear for my son growing up with all this and of of course others having to suffer those consequences based off the actions of the past. Anyhow I do understand what has happened in myself and have learned from that action of experience. I consider every such experience as learning. I understand that relationship is the best way to learn about oneself?