Carl-Richard

I gave it two pictures and it typed me as ENFP in the happy picture and INFP in the neutral picture. This one dude insisted I was ENFP and I think I'm INFP/INTP

The first time I've heard "progressive deathcore", i.e. Knocked Loose sound merged with prog noodling and even saxophone: Even when simply mixing genres, I think you sometimes find interesting divergent gems popping up that you wouldn't have found otherwise.

Unsettling and very calming. My kind of music.

But how fleeting? Are there not certain regularities, certain cycles, like the heartbeat, the rising and setting of the sun, the rising and fall of cortisol and melatonin, the cycles of anabolism and catabolism in relation to feeding cycles and physical activity? And are there not ways to better align with these cycles, in a way that is not simply random or fleeting, in a way which creates harmony rather than dissonance?

Meaning boils down to biology and movement, but also more fundamentally the interplay between energy and form, dynamism and structure, Logos. Do you cohere and connect with reality? Does reality make sense to you? Do things matter?

That could work. I'm imagining it 🥸 Damn, gimme more of these wacky artists 😂

@Nilsi Here is an example of Meshuggah taking rhythmic dissonance so far that it essentially becomes "noise" (beyond mere heaviness), as the syncopating rhythmic pattern is so long that you don't have the attention span to decode it (maybe ever, certainly not on the first listen). Not coincidentally, the song feels mostly like noise to me: On the other hand, this riff is my favorite Meshuggah riff, and it uses rhythmic dissonance in such a beautiful way (which makes it really heavy): 3:45 (and also the one at 4:16 which is the main riff of the song).

I'm gonna do a Nilsi and quote myself: this is a better example of the "within genre" divergent creativity than the very last one (maybe not specific to heaviness, but divergent creativity nonetheless), also from Steven Wilson: https://guitar.com/news/music-news/steven-wilson-explains-why-guitarists-should-regularly-change-their-tone/ Steven Wilson is a very "within genre" kind of guy, but on his newest album, you can really see this come into play. There are some interesting guitar sounds there I've not really heard before.

That's an interesting song. I can see your point on a certain divergent creativity informing heaviness. But this happens "within" genres as well. It's really just a matter of scale. Structure is always there, hierarchy is always there, genre is always there. It's just how far can you jump. And it's also about where you choose to focus. These jumps happen all the time when making songs. If they don't happen to any noticeable degree, you get ideas like "bland", "stale", "unoriginal", "uncreative". For heaviness in particular, the jump can be as minor as introducing a different technique for how you attack the strings (e.g. "thumping", as popularized by Tosin Abasi, or the insane pick scratches by Gojira) or rhythmical elaborativeness (e.g. Meshuggah). Rhythm in itself is a Pandora's box of heaviness, and of course dissonance of rhythm especially. Or it can be inviting an entirely different sound than what is normal for that genre (e.g. strummed acoustic guitar layered on top of the distorted guitars; both Opeth and Nile has done this) or really music altogether (e.g. the nightmare-ish, silent but also loud amorphous wall of dissonance which is impossible to describe in the interlude of Steven Wilson's and Mikael Akerfeldt's "Storm Corrosion"; maybe a bad example of staying within a genre to be honest). However, you did make me have some interesting thoughts pop in my mind about ways of producing music that are so divergently creative that it scares you socks off. It's hard to describe, but I got a "vision" (rather a "listen") about somewhere in a song leading up to a type of breakdown, you do a severe surround sound effect where you quickly flip the entire soundscape to the back of your head and then pan it violently upwards and forward (it would be so much easier to show you with hand movements, but whatever). I would have to create it to show what I really mean. It's a bit like the vision I had with the meditation movie idea. You would know more what I mean when you see it. There are actually many such visions/listens I have about music that if I were to pursue and create in a song, it would either sound amazing or I would never be able to recreate it.

I'm not gonna lie, the first few times I got high, it was like a new world opened up for me. The level of interconnectedness of mind and stream of insights I got and which I would spill in raving rants like Terrence McKenna on speed was something else. The euphoria and sense of profundity was unmatched. One the other hand, LSD opened it up even further and also crushed the previous world I lived in. And seeds were planted there for meditation to take over and bring in a new world again which recaptured the older one.

Some of the most unexpectedly heavy things I've heard is that one Poppy scream in that Knocked Loose Jimmy Kimmel performance (I hadn't heard the song before watching that). It didn't sound like a "metal" scream, but like a "scream scream", like from a horror movie. And also that moan inflection at the end. That was something that broke the standard metal mould but which also made it more heavier.

I swear if you look up any vegetable, berries or spice, somewhere it will say "it is known for its aphrodisiac properties". Try it 😂

I bought some of Dr. Collins Biomin Restore without fluoride as recommended by Bryan Johnson. I was hesistant in buying it, considering hydroxyapatite nanoparticles sounds spooky. But I figured it's probably better than fluoride (for your brain, maybe not for your teeth). Then I realized one ingredient, titanium dioxide, is now banned in the EU since 2022 from foods and supplements, including toothpastes. It ironically also comes in the form of nanoparticles, and that's what is thought to be some of the reason why it is cytotoxic in vitro and labelled as a carcinogen. Funnily, my brother read the tube once and he blurted out "titanium dioxide?!" with a chuckle, probably because he works with titanium, but the implication was also "that surely can't be good for you...". And that was my feeling too. So I looked it up, and here we are. So does anybody have any alternative fluoride-free hydroxyapatite toothpastes they use without titanium dioxide? 😊 Or do you guys in the US not care about EU regulations? 😆

Amelodic in the Western classical music sense where if you play outside or jump too much between Western music scales, you're deemed a heretic. Like if you watch Doug Helvering's earlier music reaction videos, he will be like "ooh, that is a weird place to go to an E". Basically all music theory jargon is just Western imperialism 😆 The most amelodic music I can think of that uses tones and is not just random sounds is some of Frank Zappa's earlier records:

They seem to use a lot of Phrygian in their intros when doing their nods to Egyptology and just generally, but I think that particular chord progression is more amelodic than anything (missing a true tonal center), which is a typical thing in death metal, but this was just pulled off so beautifully. "Death" is a band that uses very much Phrygian, certainly in Chuck Schuldiner's solos (it's virtually in all of his solos). I think for a chord progression to sound heavy, it must have moments of incredible dissonance that is unpredictable in a way, but which is also used strategically and in a larger melodic context that is not as dissonant. Or else it just becomes "ugly" or "just noise". Phrygian as a scale seems to make a good general template for this, but going into amelodic territories is where you find the really heavy stuff. Another example of a really heavy chord progression is Opeth's Blackwater Park intro riff (0:07-1:10). The final chord in the progression is so dissonant, both in comparison to the previous chord but also especially as its own chord. But honestly, the riff just after that (1:15) is honestly just as dissonant and generally the most genius riff ever written: One thing is for certain though, Nile's style being centered around Egyptology gives it a mystical and sinister vibe, because Ancient Egypt has always given me that vibe. Images of being deep inside a pyramid and running from mummies and ghosts of thousand year old kings casting magic spells.

@UnbornTao Health is unironically the best aphrodisiac. It's a holistic aphrodisiac. The term is often used in reductionistic way to describe things that work like a drug that you can boil down to a very specific mechanism of action (which is generally what they do with all kinds of food). But if you take an aphrodisiac drug and you're unhealthy, it might not even work that well. You can't get a boner if you can't get blood to your dick despite taking 2CB or whatever.

@UnbornTao Don't GPT it, Google it 😆

There is also something incredibly heavy about growling "allahuakbar" before a breakdown 😂: 1:19

The chord progression in the chorus is the heaviest piece of chord progression I have ever heard. That's the stuff only my imagination can create, hearkening back to the original purpose of the thread. 1:30

Sit comfortably but upright, close your eyes and then imagine that what is now behind your eyelids is actually a completely different room than the room you think you're in. And then drop the notion that there is a room there at all. Just sit with what is actually there: greyish darkness, small visual sparkles. Then drop the notion that you are sitting on a chair (or whatever you are sitting on). Just stay with what you're sensing, the feeling of pressure under your butt, the sensation of your arms on your sides. Just stay with the sensations. Then drop the notion that you have a face or a head. Just stay with the sensations that supposedly make up the face and head. Then drop the notion that you have a body at all. You're just sensations floating in consciousness. And even that is a notion to be dropped at some point. Keep doing this with whatever notion that pops into your head and that is keeping you tethered to some constraint or limitation.

Try hanging around depressed people while listening to depressing music while watching depressing TV shows and eating depressing food. Then do that 90% of your time (PS: it's a joke, don't self-harm yourself 😊).

I really noticed this too when I was revisiting Linkin Park (the music of my childhood). Like, that stuff is really heavy. I really noticed it influencing my thoughts so I chose to stop listening to most of it. But nothing beats the beauty of calm, melancholic music. This doesn't really make me feel sad, just "moody": EDIT: Watch me use "really" in literally every sentence next time.

5. ...MeO-DMT.

It can be much simpler than that. Ask what the healthiest people eat (not the banana girl youtubers or whatever — people who actually measure their health). If you've tried this diet and it doesn't work, then you're free to complain:

How often do you eat out? Eating out is already complex. You have to take time out if your day to plan where to eat and maybe order a table, you have to coordinate with all your friends (presumably), you have to work out transportation, maybe parking, you have to walk a lot, you have to maybe look for directions or use Google Maps, you have to find the restaurant and then wait to get a table. Then you get the menu and you have to choose between sometimes over 100 options. At least when you're a vegan, there are fewer options to choose from which makes it simpler. The food part is arguably the simplest part of the whole activity. As for limiting your culinary scope, you probably only order spaghetti bolognese like the last time anyway (jking). Of course, this is a frivilous thing compared to what meat entails. It's like you don't want to let go of slavery because it limits the variety of slaves and the richness of human labor. Slavery also makes things simpler. There is a long tradition with slavery stretching back many thousands of years, so many cultures, so much wisdom, rituals and habits. It's a shame it all went to waste, right?