Carl-Richard

@UnconsciousHuman I have read that tread and I'm already familiar with the concept of lines. You could say the reason for my questioning is that I don't see the reason for creating an additional model in a separate thread for this particular concept. Imo it's more fitting to be added as a line in the thread you linked.

@Consept No individual, group or movement is summarized by one SD stage. It's all a mixed bag. I would say SJWs are more red/blue than say hippies. It's OK to say that these values can be expressed through concepts like communication and intent, but I ultimately see no additional descriptive capability of this model. It's good to have nuances and different concepts, but it doesn't require excessive modeling.

@UnconsciousHuman The blue/red edge means that their movement isn't merely green. I'm just not convinced how you can distinguish the intention of communication from the expression of the values.

I'm assuming that you're modeling this description after what I call the SJW phenomena, which I believe to be a green movement with a radical blue/red edge. I would say that these people aren't just communicating using blue/red, but they ARE infact blue/red in many aspects, which is quite funny as it seems to contradict many of their green values (which what people like Steven Crowder and the red-pill community are capitalizing on). My problem can essentially be summed up like this: In pratice, how would you be able to distinguish the 'intention of communication' from the actual values? How do you know when someone is expressing themselves in a red fashion vs. when someone is merely showing their red values? The way I see it, communication is just one of the ways the values are expressed. If those values aren't present within the individual or group, the values wouldn't be expressed, and they would not be a part of the conversation.

I'll put it in another way: if you ask a SD stage orange person what they want to achieve in a conversation (their intention of communication), they will most often give you the description of the yellow stage in your model. Idk, I just feel that the intention of communication is a direct reflection of the values of the person anyway: what you want to achieve in a conversation is very often congruent with what you want to achieve in life, instead it's just put into language and shared with others. Still, I like your idea

I agree that you could use SD the way you're intending to do, but will a stage orange person not have the intention to use logic, reason, and rationality when communicating?

I'm pretty sure that is orange. Depending on the definition, you can have a personal agenda even at yellow, only it's less obvious.

@GodDesireOnlyLove Most often, people don't want help unless they're asking you for it.

Heal her from what? Don't try to force something on somebody if they don't like it

@The Don How did that answer anything? hahaha

Judging by the descriptions Leo gave in the video, my guess is that it's such an obscure substance that it's extremely inconvenient to use, let alone get a hold of. Very few chemists would know about it, and there is no economic incentive to produce it, as it doesn't have brand recognition and demand. For all we know, it might be very hard or expensive to synthesize aswell.

On a more peripheral note, 5G might be dangerous or not dangerous, but never underestimate the power of belief and how the mind tends to play tricks on itself. Merely entertaining the idea that there is a dark ominous force coming from all directions can potentially cause more harm than the actual thing itself.

Why would you not call it God or Love?

It's not a cat

Zebra

@louhad I think the reason you can't map ancient mystics onto yellow/turquoise is because these stages are directly tied to green being established in the world, not just in the individual. Yellow has to be able to look at green's manifestation outside himself in order to see the full spiral in action and his own place within it.

His interview with Dr. K (healthygamergg) is quite telling. He is undoubtedly a narcissist or atleast a bit stuck up his own ass.

@ArchangelG Then you have Ken Wilber's model: Blue (Amber) - 5,000 years ago Orange - 300 years ago Green - 50 years ago

@Thewritersunion Yes. Everybody in the school knew she would make it big.

She was actually in my music class in high school

You can make anything look bad when putting it in a bullet point diagnostics format.

This is so funny: there is a band called "Death" that has a song called "Nothing Is Everything". Hahahahahahaha

@LaucherJunge Even though I do agree that he is primarily making fun of college students contradicting their own values, it's my understanding that he is also making fun of green values in general. I don't think his mission can be reduced to mere entertainment. You could maybe give me some examples that you think would convince me otherwise, but if he was truly a solid yellow, he wouldn't feel the need to ridicule green values in that fashion, or prey on the natural ignorance of young people. Granted, these people do have a strong voice and do influence their institutions to a certain degree, but like I said earlier, I think having these discussions in a more formal debate format is a more proper way to address these issues.

Partially true. The most radical parts of any movement tends to devolve into absolutism and other blue qualities, and in the case of movements with primarily green values (social justice), they will sometimes contradict their own values. For certain SJWs, you could say that the way they "relate" to their core values has hints of blue, but if you look at the actual values themselves, there is very little blue about egalitarianism, diversity, sensitivity, tolerance, inclusion, cultural relativistism, and political correctness.

I heavily recommend probing for emotional tensions and provoking emotional releases during meditation if you want fast results.